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Hi Brandon! Email is also free, Facebook is free, waze, twitter, etc... We will NOT be charging a monthly or annual fee for InvoiceNinja.com Email us to discus

Hi Brandon! Email is also free, Facebook is free, waze, twitter, etc... We will NOT be charging a monthly or annual fee for InvoiceNinja.com Email us to discuss: contact@invoiceninja.com

brandon272 13y ago
Nothing is free. E-mail is either provided by your ISP (which you pay for) or ads are displayed alongside the e-mail messages. Facebook publishes ads. Twitter publishes ads. Will you be publishing ads on invoices? What is your plan to have the service be sustainable into the future?
dspillett 13y ago
So the service is ad sponsored like those services? And is mining data to target that advertising? I can't see any of that, but if you explicitly compare yourself to that sort of service without specifying otherwise it is an assumption many will make and won't be happy with. Without some obvious sign of how the service intends to fund itself a lot of people will walk away assuming that it is advertising and/or mining (which they won't like for their invoices), that it will go away as soon as some unknown reserve runs out, or that it will suddenly become expensive once they are dependent on it. They won't believe "we never intend to charge" (they've heard that before and it hasn't always been true) and won't email you to ask (they just head off on their merry way).
dangerboysteve 13y ago
Those other services have people engaging with them many times per day thus the traffic. Invoicing is a task that you would do maybe once or twice per week ? Also the live PDF view, which clever, is really also annoying as any typing or mouse hovering makes that area flash.
patio11 13y ago
My wife and I loved the logo. Nice sense of whimsy. I'm not in the market for a new invoicing app, but if I were, the perceived sustainability of your business model is a dealbreaker for using you for it. My business deals with a 6 year audit window. (Technically speaking, multiple overlapping 6 year audit windows.) If your business fails, and I get audited, bad stuff happens. (e.g. The National Tax Agency might come to the conclusion "Mr. McKenzie, you claimed you had $5,000 withheld by clients in 2010 on your tax return for that fiscal year, but you seem to be unable to support that with original documentation. That's unfortunate, but we believe you're acting without malice, so in lieu of imprisoning you we'll just ask you to pay the $5,000 plus statutory interest of 8% a year." Does this adequately explain why Free-as-in-Beer invoicing software doesn't exactly light a fire in my belly?
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anderspetersson 13y ago
This looks really good! You could charge for extra services, for example API access or "Sell my invoice"-integration.
michaelmior 13y ago
Facebook and Twitter have (m|b)illions of users and investment dollars behind them and thousands of employees. While I don't know a lot about your company, that in itself is a strong signal that you're not in the same boat. I respect your desire to want to office the service for free, but I don't think your comparison will help to assuage anyone's fears of you disappearing.
qq66 13y ago
If you don't explain a business model (selling add-ons, advertising, freemium)... People will assume the most nefarious business model possible. I know how Facebook and Gmail and Dropbox make money. I'd need to know how you make money before I start using your product.
thejosh 13y ago
So since those services survive on mining users data, that's a great business chocie.

Hi Brandon! Email is also free, Facebook is free, waze, twitter, etc... We will NOT be charging a monthly or annual fee for InvoiceNinja.com Email us to discuss: contact@invoiceninja.com

brandon272 13y ago

Nothing is free. E-mail is either provided by your ISP (which you pay for) or ads are displayed alongside the e-mail messages. Facebook publishes ads. Twitter publishes ads. Will you be publishing ads on invoices? What is your plan to have the service be sustainable into the future?

dspillett 13y ago

So the service is ad sponsored like those services? And is mining data to target that advertising? I can't see any of that, but if you explicitly compare yourself to that sort of service without specifying otherwise it is an assumption many will make and won't be happy with. Without some obvious sign of how the service intends to fund itself a lot of people will walk away assuming that it is advertising and/or mining (which they won't like for their invoices), that it will go away as soon as some unknown reserve runs out, or that it will suddenly become expensive once they are dependent on it. They won't believe "we never intend to charge" (they've heard that before and it hasn't always been true) and won't email you to ask (they just head off on their merry way).

dangerboysteve 13y ago

Those other services have people engaging with them many times per day thus the traffic. Invoicing is a task that you would do maybe once or twice per week ? Also the live PDF view, which clever, is really also annoying as any typing or mouse hovering makes that area flash.

patio11 13y ago

My wife and I loved the logo. Nice sense of whimsy. I'm not in the market for a new invoicing app, but if I were, the perceived sustainability of your business model is a dealbreaker for using you for it. My business deals with a 6 year audit window. (Technically speaking, multiple overlapping 6 year audit windows.) If your business fails, and I get audited, bad stuff happens. (e.g. The National Tax Agency might come to the conclusion "Mr. McKenzie, you claimed you had $5,000 withheld by clients in 2010 on your tax return for that fiscal year, but you seem to be unable to support that with original documentation. That's unfortunate, but we believe you're acting without malice, so in lieu of imprisoning you we'll just ask you to pay the $5,000 plus statutory interest of 8% a year." Does this adequately explain why Free-as-in-Beer invoicing software doesn't exactly light a fire in my belly?

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anderspetersson 13y ago

This looks really good! You could charge for extra services, for example API access or "Sell my invoice"-integration.

michaelmior 13y ago

Facebook and Twitter have (m|b)illions of users and investment dollars behind them and thousands of employees. While I don't know a lot about your company, that in itself is a strong signal that you're not in the same boat. I respect your desire to want to office the service for free, but I don't think your comparison will help to assuage anyone's fears of you disappearing.

qq66 13y ago

If you don't explain a business model (selling add-ons, advertising, freemium)... People will assume the most nefarious business model possible. I know how Facebook and Gmail and Dropbox make money. I'd need to know how you make money before I start using your product.

thejosh 13y ago

So since those services survive on mining users data, that's a great business chocie.