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"For applications on Google Play that integrate this tool, usage is tracked." Imagine if every open source library did that.

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tenfingers 13y ago
Pretty sad they decided to do this, actually.
- philbarr 13y ago
  They're not the only ones to do this. Vuforia is worse, it's free, which is tempting, but then Section 8 (i) of the license agreement[0] states: "each end user consents to the collection, storage, and use by QCE and its affiliates and service providers of Statistics from the Software and the transfer of Statistics between QCE and its affiliates and service providers (which may be in the United States or in other countries), in each case for the purposes of (a) facilitating the provision of new products, updates, enhancements and other services, (b) improving the Software, and other products, services and technologies, and (c) providing new products, services or technologies to You and customers of QCE and its affiliates;" To be fair, they're giving away a great SDK for free that they've put a lot of effort into, so they can demand what they like from the license. Google can too - you don't have to use the free stuff they're giving away. [0] https://developer.vuforia.com/legal/license/2-8 https://developer.vuforia.com/legal/license/2-8
  - stuaxo 13y ago
    Hm, what are the data protection act implications of this ?
    - philbarr 13y ago
      I think as long as you tell the user then you're ok. If the user wanted to find out what information the Vuforia guys have collected they would have to ask them, pay the £10 (in the UK), and then it would be up to the Vuforia people. I use to be the "Data Protection Expert" at a firm a few years ago, but really all that happened was they sent me on a course and I read the rules. Never had to actually deal with a case.
- skj 13y ago
  Eh? It's not like they sneak it in.
StavrosK 13y ago
> Since this is open source, you are free to remove the version string but we would appreciate if you would leave it in. It's easy to remove, and they only track which apps use it to gauge how popular it is. Hardly evil.
- babuskov 13y ago
  I'm not implying it is evil. I just imagined what would the world look like if everyone was doing that.
  - RobotCaleb 13y ago
    What did you imagine?
    - norova 13y ago
      Data. Data everywhere.
  - StavrosK 13y ago
    Oh sorry, I guess I read your comment before reading what the tracking is about and thought they tracked all usage (i.e. user actions, in-game).
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j_s 13y ago
An interesting discussion came up after the .NET Glimpse library included opt-out analytics: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/getglimpse-dev/KA95nxTjgwk https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/getglimpse-dev/KA95n... A big part of the decision is opt-out vs. opt-in, and how it would even be possible to make opt-in return meaningful results in a library. Also, one of the main problems was managing the expectations of the users of the library, many of whom would only install it through a packaging system which provides little means of documenting that tracking is included and enabled by default. Here is the initial thread sharing a user's surprise: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/getglimpse-dev/7WgpX_Menz4 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/getglimpse-dev/7WgpX...
swirepe 13y ago
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tenfingers 13y ago

Pretty sad they decided to do this, actually.

philbarr 13y ago
They're not the only ones to do this. Vuforia is worse, it's free, which is tempting, but then Section 8 (i) of the license agreement[0] states: "each end user consents to the collection, storage, and use by QCE and its affiliates and service providers of Statistics from the Software and the transfer of Statistics between QCE and its affiliates and service providers (which may be in the United States or in other countries), in each case for the purposes of (a) facilitating the provision of new products, updates, enhancements and other services, (b) improving the Software, and other products, services and technologies, and (c) providing new products, services or technologies to You and customers of QCE and its affiliates;" To be fair, they're giving away a great SDK for free that they've put a lot of effort into, so they can demand what they like from the license. Google can too - you don't have to use the free stuff they're giving away. [0] https://developer.vuforia.com/legal/license/2-8 https://developer.vuforia.com/legal/license/2-8
- stuaxo 13y ago
  Hm, what are the data protection act implications of this ?
  - philbarr 13y ago
    I think as long as you tell the user then you're ok. If the user wanted to find out what information the Vuforia guys have collected they would have to ask them, pay the £10 (in the UK), and then it would be up to the Vuforia people. I use to be the "Data Protection Expert" at a firm a few years ago, but really all that happened was they sent me on a course and I read the rules. Never had to actually deal with a case.
skj 13y ago
Eh? It's not like they sneak it in.

StavrosK 13y ago

> Since this is open source, you are free to remove the version string but we would appreciate if you would leave it in. It's easy to remove, and they only track which apps use it to gauge how popular it is. Hardly evil.

babuskov 13y ago
I'm not implying it is evil. I just imagined what would the world look like if everyone was doing that.
- RobotCaleb 13y ago
  What did you imagine?
  - norova 13y ago
    Data. Data everywhere.
- StavrosK 13y ago
  Oh sorry, I guess I read your comment before reading what the tracking is about and thought they tracked all usage (i.e. user actions, in-game).

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j_s 13y ago

An interesting discussion came up after the .NET Glimpse library included opt-out analytics: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/getglimpse-dev/KA95nxTjgwk https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/getglimpse-dev/KA95n... A big part of the decision is opt-out vs. opt-in, and how it would even be possible to make opt-in return meaningful results in a library. Also, one of the main problems was managing the expectations of the users of the library, many of whom would only install it through a packaging system which provides little means of documenting that tracking is included and enabled by default. Here is the initial thread sharing a user's surprise: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/getglimpse-dev/7WgpX_Menz4 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/getglimpse-dev/7WgpX...

swirepe 13y ago

Popularity Contest? http://popcon.debian.org/ http://popcon.debian.org/