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The emergency brake is not powerful enough to overcome the throttle. Additionally, I'd love to see if your reaction in an emergency like that would be any diffe

The emergency brake is not powerful enough to overcome the throttle. Additionally, I'd love to see if your reaction in an emergency like that would be any different. Humans react very irrationally even with training. It's easy to sit in your chair and say someone did the wrong thing.

LanceH 13y ago
Toyota's fault humans react irrationally. Got it. They stepped on the wrong pedal, it's that simple. Oh, and they weren't an American car company.
- ceejayoz 13y ago
  > They stepped on the wrong pedal, it's that simple. Did you read the article? > Prosecutors said that Toyota concealed problems related to floor mats and sticky accelerator pedals... Investigators discovered internal Toyota documents that acknowledged serious problems with its vehicles.
- mabhatter 13y ago
  America car companies issue recalls all the time. That is what's getting Toyota in trouble from the start. A company I worked for was involved in those decisions made with days of discovering a slightly wrong raw material grade was shipped. Because that wrong part didn't meet the spec and MIGHT cause a problem in the part after it wore down five years from now. They paid for testing and proved the raw material was equivalent in performance and didn't have to recall. But it happened in days/weeks long before the parts would have had any failures. American companies took to using recalls as "preventive" measures decades ago. They learned to have a lot of them without the government forcing them so that the really nasty ones get buried in the shuffle and the mechanic just replaces the parts he's told... Toyota fought the government hard every step of the way, even in making the design materials and manufacturing information hauled off to Japan... mostly because the pedal issue already had large lawsuits before Toyota even acknowledged looking at the problem. If they issued a recall, all that was going to hit the lawsuit train.... Not to mention in Japan companies just don't get hauled over the coals like this... They thought they'd fight it.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
  http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer...
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- bradyd 13y ago
  Having personally experienced the floor mat issue in a Toyota 4Runner, I definitely didn't hit the wrong pedal. I intentionally hit the gas pedal. I had floored it for about a second or two, lifted my foot and the pedal didn't come with it. Thankfully I realized what had happened really quickly and was able to pry the pedal back up with my foot. Prior to that event I would have never even considered a possibility of the accelerator getting stuck like that.

LanceH 13y ago

Toyota's fault humans react irrationally. Got it. They stepped on the wrong pedal, it's that simple. Oh, and they weren't an American car company.

ceejayoz 13y ago
> They stepped on the wrong pedal, it's that simple. Did you read the article? > Prosecutors said that Toyota concealed problems related to floor mats and sticky accelerator pedals... Investigators discovered internal Toyota documents that acknowledged serious problems with its vehicles.
mabhatter 13y ago
America car companies issue recalls all the time. That is what's getting Toyota in trouble from the start. A company I worked for was involved in those decisions made with days of discovering a slightly wrong raw material grade was shipped. Because that wrong part didn't meet the spec and MIGHT cause a problem in the part after it wore down five years from now. They paid for testing and proved the raw material was equivalent in performance and didn't have to recall. But it happened in days/weeks long before the parts would have had any failures. American companies took to using recalls as "preventive" measures decades ago. They learned to have a lot of them without the government forcing them so that the really nasty ones get buried in the shuffle and the mechanic just replaces the parts he's told... Toyota fought the government hard every step of the way, even in making the design materials and manufacturing information hauled off to Japan... mostly because the pedal issue already had large lawsuits before Toyota even acknowledged looking at the problem. If they issued a recall, all that was going to hit the lawsuit train.... Not to mention in Japan companies just don't get hauled over the coals like this... They thought they'd fight it.
fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer...
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bradyd 13y ago
Having personally experienced the floor mat issue in a Toyota 4Runner, I definitely didn't hit the wrong pedal. I intentionally hit the gas pedal. I had floored it for about a second or two, lifted my foot and the pedal didn't come with it. Thankfully I realized what had happened really quickly and was able to pry the pedal back up with my foot. Prior to that event I would have never even considered a possibility of the accelerator getting stuck like that.