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I'm amused at how the whole Agile community is nothing but a hive mind. For 10 years they're all obsessed with how good Agile is. Then starting two weeks ago, t

by logn 13y ago

I'm amused at how the whole Agile community is nothing but a hive mind. For 10 years they're all obsessed with how good Agile is. Then starting two weeks ago, they all think it's terrible. Agile works fine. Software engineering methodologies don't kill projects, managers kill projects.

madeofpalk 13y ago
> managers kill projects. Rather, people kill projects. We've all seen plenty of projects that were brought down by others than just managers, incl. developers.
rubiquity 13y ago
Myself and others that have been writing on this recently aren't bashing the original values and principles that are in the Agile Manifesto. We are bashing how far we have all fallen from what matters and the industry of crap that has sprung up around it. These days, declaring you are Agile usually means you are a cowboy, but it sure sounds good to say anyway! People, and usually these are managers, are what kill projects ultimately. But the methodologies, or lack thereof, are the weapon the people use to kill projects.
mantrax 13y ago
It's interesting how the community explanation is that some set of perfect ideals was "corrupted" by consultants. That actually happened fairly early in the process. It's the very consultants that are now blamed for corrupting Agile that made Agile popular. Agile wouldn't be a thing without the feedback loop of the industry it spawned. Everyone believed, and one day they stopped believing. It's as if perfect "Agile" was nothing but a figment of people's collective imagination. I've always had a skeptical eye about all this. Some useful things, nothing new, just a fresh coat of fancy buzzwords used to re-invent common sense.
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est 13y ago
> Then starting two weeks ago, they all think it's terrible. Because it's time to start to invent new Bullshit™ marketing terms. Anyone remember XP? You can find more of them here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_methodology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_methodolog...

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madeofpalk 13y ago

> managers kill projects. Rather, people kill projects. We've all seen plenty of projects that were brought down by others than just managers, incl. developers.

rubiquity 13y ago

Myself and others that have been writing on this recently aren't bashing the original values and principles that are in the Agile Manifesto. We are bashing how far we have all fallen from what matters and the industry of crap that has sprung up around it. These days, declaring you are Agile usually means you are a cowboy, but it sure sounds good to say anyway! People, and usually these are managers, are what kill projects ultimately. But the methodologies, or lack thereof, are the weapon the people use to kill projects.

mantrax 13y ago

It's interesting how the community explanation is that some set of perfect ideals was "corrupted" by consultants. That actually happened fairly early in the process. It's the very consultants that are now blamed for corrupting Agile that made Agile popular. Agile wouldn't be a thing without the feedback loop of the industry it spawned. Everyone believed, and one day they stopped believing. It's as if perfect "Agile" was nothing but a figment of people's collective imagination. I've always had a skeptical eye about all this. Some useful things, nothing new, just a fresh coat of fancy buzzwords used to re-invent common sense.

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est 13y ago

> Then starting two weeks ago, they all think it's terrible. Because it's time to start to invent new Bullshit™ marketing terms. Anyone remember XP? You can find more of them here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_methodology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_methodolog...