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I disagree wholeheartedly. If your world was flipped upside down -- say we had AI built tomorrow that could code. Would you deserve to survive? I would say it

by ztratar 13y ago

I disagree wholeheartedly. If your world was flipped upside down -- say we had AI built tomorrow that could code. Would you deserve to survive? I would say it would depend. If you're open to change and new opportunities, then yes, you deserve to survive. If the rate of change is great enough, sometimes you need help.

stormbrew 13y ago
Someday this will probably happen, and we will be as helpless to stop it as factory workers are right now. Denying this is just wishful thinking. But no one's survival should hinge on a business model, this is a flaw of our economic and political system. You're conflating the two problems. If the 'music industry' has to survive in order to enable people to survive or art to propagate, this is the real problem.
joesmo 13y ago
No one has a right to survive in the sense that you mean, especially giant, useless corporations. If AI came around that made my job obsolete, threatening my existence, then no, I would not have the right to survive still by coding especially since the AI would presumably do much better work. Likewise, media companies do not have a right to survive. When their business model is superseded, they should adapt or perish like everyone else. There are plenty of companies whose products are no longer necessary. Do they have a right to survive? No. Not if they don't adapt and start producing useful goods. One example would be a company like Kodak who once made most of their money from analog cameras and film. If they hadn't changed their focus from their initial offerings they'd be in even worse shape then they are now. No one who doesn't adapt deserves to survive (in an economic sense, of course).
- ztratar 13y ago
  Perhaps we have fundamentally different views. To me, it seems that we should be on the side of doing what is best for humanity. Companies whos products are no longer necessary? Hollywoods products haven't lost any value -- they're simply being copied, and thus their value diminished by illicit means.
  - joesmo 13y ago
    I agree that the products themselves (movies, music, books, etc.) have not lost any value. That isn't what record companies are selling, although it appears so. What one mainly pays for is distribution, advertising, and marketing. In that, there is little to no value left. See the artists' cut vs. the actual price of physical goods (or even digital ones).

by ztratar 13y ago

stormbrew 13y ago

Someday this will probably happen, and we will be as helpless to stop it as factory workers are right now. Denying this is just wishful thinking. But no one's survival should hinge on a business model, this is a flaw of our economic and political system. You're conflating the two problems. If the 'music industry' has to survive in order to enable people to survive or art to propagate, this is the real problem.

joesmo 13y ago

No one has a right to survive in the sense that you mean, especially giant, useless corporations. If AI came around that made my job obsolete, threatening my existence, then no, I would not have the right to survive still by coding especially since the AI would presumably do much better work. Likewise, media companies do not have a right to survive. When their business model is superseded, they should adapt or perish like everyone else. There are plenty of companies whose products are no longer necessary. Do they have a right to survive? No. Not if they don't adapt and start producing useful goods. One example would be a company like Kodak who once made most of their money from analog cameras and film. If they hadn't changed their focus from their initial offerings they'd be in even worse shape then they are now. No one who doesn't adapt deserves to survive (in an economic sense, of course).

ztratar 13y ago
Perhaps we have fundamentally different views. To me, it seems that we should be on the side of doing what is best for humanity. Companies whos products are no longer necessary? Hollywoods products haven't lost any value -- they're simply being copied, and thus their value diminished by illicit means.
- joesmo 13y ago
  I agree that the products themselves (movies, music, books, etc.) have not lost any value. That isn't what record companies are selling, although it appears so. What one mainly pays for is distribution, advertising, and marketing. In that, there is little to no value left. See the artists' cut vs. the actual price of physical goods (or even digital ones).