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I would argue that electricians are far more commodified and that the trend this is a part of is the opposite of commodification. An electrician is usually lic

by netcan 13y ago

I would argue that electricians are far more commodified and that the trend this is a part of is the opposite of commodification. An electrician is usually licensed, which means they are above a certain, fairly low bar. The average person is far more concerned with avoiding the worst electricians. Beyond that price is the biggest factor and the electricians are interchangeable. Give me the best price for soy that isn't rotten. In coding jobs, employers are trying to identify the best, worst, etc. You can argue against this as a test of quality & qualities, but the net effect is not commoditization.

asadlionpk 13y ago
Yes, the objective of this tool and many others is to improve the ability of the employer to identify skills quickly and without false negative...
- antocv 13y ago
  "Identify skills quickly" thats exactly what this tool does not do. It identifies the most needy/desperate engineers. Anyway, I for sure would not sign up for such a thing, it tells me the recruitment agency or potential employee views software engineering as "typing code skills", like hacker-typer.com. In my opinion a software engineer works more closely to the business and requirements elicitation than just implementation.
  - asadlionpk 13y ago
    no, that example on the page is just one type of rating the employer can give. After all, these are private comments about the candidate. Employer will write what matters to him. Like to me speed does matter, someone unusually fast at coming up with a solution would definitely get my upvote.
antocv 13y ago
Well, we need licenses and certifications for our field, to stop these pretenders who are wasting time of recruiters and lowering industry standard... oh hey, perhaps the recruiter field is flourishing due to encouraging these kind of shenanigans? Recruiters dont seem to trust previous experience much anymore, nor do they care about certifications, it is in their interest not to, it is in their interest to "scan" over a huge pile of people and "select the best", for this the engineers all need to be considered equal, despite simpler methods to check background and experience level. At least its an interesting idea to explain this growth in recruitment agencies and skype-interviews.
- netcan 13y ago
  Would you start by haggling over the word "programmer" or delisting programmers who don't have a recognized degree? Big IT consultancies are probably your best allies in this campaign. They would definitely appreciate being able to order their rate cards for coders,licensed programmers & certified master programmers at different rates. They would also be glad to be on the certification and licensing committees. The shoddier schools would also be on board. "Recognized certification courses" has a nice ring to it. Recruiters would also love it.

by netcan 13y ago

asadlionpk 13y ago

Yes, the objective of this tool and many others is to improve the ability of the employer to identify skills quickly and without false negative...

antocv 13y ago
"Identify skills quickly" thats exactly what this tool does not do. It identifies the most needy/desperate engineers. Anyway, I for sure would not sign up for such a thing, it tells me the recruitment agency or potential employee views software engineering as "typing code skills", like hacker-typer.com. In my opinion a software engineer works more closely to the business and requirements elicitation than just implementation.
- asadlionpk 13y ago
  no, that example on the page is just one type of rating the employer can give. After all, these are private comments about the candidate. Employer will write what matters to him. Like to me speed does matter, someone unusually fast at coming up with a solution would definitely get my upvote.

antocv 13y ago

Well, we need licenses and certifications for our field, to stop these pretenders who are wasting time of recruiters and lowering industry standard... oh hey, perhaps the recruiter field is flourishing due to encouraging these kind of shenanigans? Recruiters dont seem to trust previous experience much anymore, nor do they care about certifications, it is in their interest not to, it is in their interest to "scan" over a huge pile of people and "select the best", for this the engineers all need to be considered equal, despite simpler methods to check background and experience level. At least its an interesting idea to explain this growth in recruitment agencies and skype-interviews.

netcan 13y ago
Would you start by haggling over the word "programmer" or delisting programmers who don't have a recognized degree? Big IT consultancies are probably your best allies in this campaign. They would definitely appreciate being able to order their rate cards for coders,licensed programmers & certified master programmers at different rates. They would also be glad to be on the certification and licensing committees. The shoddier schools would also be on board. "Recognized certification courses" has a nice ring to it. Recruiters would also love it.