>but programming IS a creative role and needs to be treated as such. We need to distinguish between creators and people who just implement, because there is a

>but programming IS a creative role and needs to be treated as such. We need to distinguish between creators and people who just implement, because there is a lot of work that doesn't involve new ideas. Complicating this is the fuzziness between the titles 'engineer' and 'programmer' and 'developer'. Much of this just seems like growing pains for a field that's relatively new to humanity.