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I agree that there are potential issues with this. But I also believe that it is a useful control to put into the hands of designers. There are use-cases where

I agree that there are potential issues with this. But I also believe that it is a useful control to put into the hands of designers. There are use-cases where hiding the chrome makes absolute sense - but the designer should always ensure that there's at least one control that will provide for navigation in those cases where she has opted for a minimal UI.

RexRollman 13y ago
I disagree. The desire to placate designers has already caused HTML to become increasing complex and now our web browsers are even downloading fonts from the Internet. If designers really want to control presentation, they should look into another format, like PDF.
- dictum 13y ago
  You can disable CSS or use a user stylesheet to your liking. That's the amazing thing about HTML + CSS + JS, not available to PDF or any other format/medium in common use.
  - Turing_Machine 13y ago
    In Mobile Safari? How?
- bluetidepro 13y ago
  > "If designers really want to control presentation, they should look into another format, like PDF." As a designer, I can't help but read that and crack up. You have got to be joking, right?
  - jonahx 13y ago
    He's Rex Rolling you...
acheron 13y ago
Putting "control in the hands of designers" gave us flashing ads, pop-up ads, pop-under ads, pop-up ads again but floating, etc. Also Flash intros, disabling the back button, "infinite scroll", and enough other anti-patterns that I would run out of fingers and toes counting them all. I have recently returned to using NoScript on my desktop browser, because ABP and Ghostery together still did not provide enough defense versus web designers. There is no way this "feature" is not going to somehow be abused to annoy users.
- eddieroger 13y ago
  That was putting control in the hands of the marketers, not necessarily designers.
  - __DarkBlue 13y ago
    Certainly true of the ad's. But, IMHO, it's designers who seem to love the infinite scrolling and other gimmickry.

RexRollman 13y ago

I disagree. The desire to placate designers has already caused HTML to become increasing complex and now our web browsers are even downloading fonts from the Internet. If designers really want to control presentation, they should look into another format, like PDF.

dictum 13y ago
You can disable CSS or use a user stylesheet to your liking. That's the amazing thing about HTML + CSS + JS, not available to PDF or any other format/medium in common use.
- Turing_Machine 13y ago
  In Mobile Safari? How?
bluetidepro 13y ago
> "If designers really want to control presentation, they should look into another format, like PDF." As a designer, I can't help but read that and crack up. You have got to be joking, right?
- jonahx 13y ago
  He's Rex Rolling you...

acheron 13y ago

Putting "control in the hands of designers" gave us flashing ads, pop-up ads, pop-under ads, pop-up ads again but floating, etc. Also Flash intros, disabling the back button, "infinite scroll", and enough other anti-patterns that I would run out of fingers and toes counting them all. I have recently returned to using NoScript on my desktop browser, because ABP and Ghostery together still did not provide enough defense versus web designers. There is no way this "feature" is not going to somehow be abused to annoy users.

eddieroger 13y ago
That was putting control in the hands of the marketers, not necessarily designers.
- __DarkBlue 13y ago
  Certainly true of the ad's. But, IMHO, it's designers who seem to love the infinite scrolling and other gimmickry.