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> in my nation (India) being gay is illegal Sorry for the flame material, but why is it that this is rarely mentioned in western news media (at least in the co

by dictum 13y ago

> in my nation (India) being gay is illegal Sorry for the flame material, but why is it that this is rarely mentioned in western news media (at least in the countries whose news I follow)? For those who, like me, didn't know that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_India

hugofirth 13y ago
It is odd - there was uproar around the Russian propaganda laws regarding Homosexual relationships running up to the winter olympics (and rightly so! I am not suggesting otherwise). Yet, I (who, perhaps arrogantly, consider myself fairly well informed) had absolutely no idea that homosexuality is illegal in India. This is wtf-worthy.
- wutbrodo 13y ago
  This was the case in something like 15 us States until the Supreme Court struck it down.... In 2003. (far more States are included if you go back just another decade) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_Sta...
- chaosmonkey 13y ago
  It's really incompetence. The issue went to the supreme court and they said this matter is for the legislature to decide. The good thing (unlike Russia) is that almost everyone from the ruling government, media, public, etc want this law abolished.
  - 0x006A 13y ago
    Sadly that is not true. The right-wing party, that will most likely win the upcoming elections, will never approve an amendment to change this through parliament. The judge that reverted the supreme court decision if fully aware of this and it was a political decision on his side.
- DominikR 13y ago
  Such media campaigns are only for enemies of the US, not for allies like India or Saudi Arabia. (where the punishment for having homosexual intercourse is death by beheading)
  - BugBrother 13y ago
    I am tired of all similar conspiracy theories posted the last week in .se comment fields with very bad Swedish. I am going to answer this. If Russia was mistreated in Western media, Putin would have been burned in effigy every day for a decade in every city in the west over e.g. this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism#Massacres http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_t... "On October 21, 1999, a series of Russian ballistic missile strikes on central Grozny killed at least 137 people, mostly civilians, and injured hundreds. The missiles hit the city's main marketplace, a maternity hospital and a mosque." And other points listed on that page, which has never really been discussed in western media. But I guess Wikipedia, HRW et al are in on Obama's homosexual conspiracy? :-)
  - balladeer 13y ago
    If it comes to being an ally and India has to choose between US and Russia, is it that hard to guess who it will choose? You can also sample the latest example.
- Mikeb85 13y ago
  Not only that, but homosexuality is actually completely legal in Russia. The law that everyone was in uproar about is that in Russia you're not allowed to promote non-traditional sexual relationships. Yet in what many claim is a 'free' country (India), homosexuality it outlawed outright. Funny how propaganda works.
  - balladeer 13y ago
    What is a free country? You can pick your criteria but please try to make it adequate and generic Then name one free country on this planet.
- randomafrican 13y ago
  It's a matter of how things are moving. Homosexuality has been illegal in India. No change no uproar. Russia's laws have moved things bavkwards. Look at what happened in Uganda.
- makomk 13y ago
  India got quite a lot of criticism in the press for this at the time, and rightly so, but it dropped out of the news after a month or two because there was nothing new happening. Expect more press attention when there's news. (I doubt the Russian laws would've gotten so much attention if the Russian government didn't continually do things that drew attention to them.)
nileshtrivedi 13y ago
Actually, what's really illegal is "carnal intercourse against the order of nature" which covers oral and anal sex - both heterosexual and homosexual.
- Nanzikambe 13y ago
  Who on earth made that law? I mean seriously, what rational, feeling human being thinks: "Oral Sex? Ew! No thank you! Best make that illegal!" There's a world view I can't imagine.
  - wutbrodo 13y ago
    I dunno if you're from/in the US, but this kind of view is a lot closer to. home than you'd think. Go back ten years and a dozen or two states had similar laws, and needed to be forced by the Supreme Court to invalidate them (go back a bit further and the number jumps). http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_Sta...
  - sa1 13y ago
    It was made by the British rulers in 1861. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377_of_the_Indian_Penal_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377_of_the_Indian_Pena... Sadly, while the British have since got rid of the prudery, it continues here. The government in power is keen to have the Supreme court strike it down, to avoid any voting backlash from the conservative population. While one of the courts did strike it down, the Supreme Court later put the ball back into the Parliament's court, saying that only the Parliament can use its legislative powers to get rid of the law. Thankfully, there have been very few convictions under the law, but it has been used for harassment of some people.
  - nileshtrivedi 13y ago
    The law was made by the British govt in line with the victorian era ethos (remember Alan Turing?). Many of the british laws were carried over when India became independent in 1947. When this law came up for review in the supreme court this year, it ruled that since the law criminalizes actions, not persons, it is not discriminatory and hence, not unconstitutional. As you can imagine, this was a very controversial judgment. But as things stand now, the supreme court has passed the ball back to the parliament to repeal/amend the law. I am not sure when exactly the original law was amended in Britain.
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balladeer 13y ago
It was accepted in India for some time and then suddenly the apex court reversed the ruling saying "unnatural sex" (same gender sex) is prohibited by the constitution. This was odd as our apex court doesn't really take such steps. Then it dawned upon me that it was merely interpreting the constitution. That part of the constitution is a legacy law from the time of the British occupation. Unfortunately we have not yet changed it. I don't see it being changed in the near future either, because the party that is supposed to gain majority in this general election is a "conservative" party basing most of their policy off religion. > why is it that this is rarely mentioned in western news media It is mentioned in Western media. Also in India you are not prosecuted for being a gay or homosexual unless you bring to the out in the open (I am not defending the culture). Which means you can't usually do girl-girl/guy-guy making out in the public. Hell, you can't even do girl-guy making out in the open. This is covered by some "indecency laws". So, basically it's like there's no witch-hunt on for gays and lesbians even though you declare that you are a homosexual. Now when someone says this country has a lot lot bigger issues to fix before fixing issues of homosexuality, please don't pounce on him/her because that's true (IMO).

by dictum 13y ago

hugofirth 13y ago

It is odd - there was uproar around the Russian propaganda laws regarding Homosexual relationships running up to the winter olympics (and rightly so! I am not suggesting otherwise). Yet, I (who, perhaps arrogantly, consider myself fairly well informed) had absolutely no idea that homosexuality is illegal in India. This is wtf-worthy.

wutbrodo 13y ago
This was the case in something like 15 us States until the Supreme Court struck it down.... In 2003. (far more States are included if you go back just another decade) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_Sta...
chaosmonkey 13y ago
It's really incompetence. The issue went to the supreme court and they said this matter is for the legislature to decide. The good thing (unlike Russia) is that almost everyone from the ruling government, media, public, etc want this law abolished.
- 0x006A 13y ago
  Sadly that is not true. The right-wing party, that will most likely win the upcoming elections, will never approve an amendment to change this through parliament. The judge that reverted the supreme court decision if fully aware of this and it was a political decision on his side.
DominikR 13y ago
Such media campaigns are only for enemies of the US, not for allies like India or Saudi Arabia. (where the punishment for having homosexual intercourse is death by beheading)
- BugBrother 13y ago
  I am tired of all similar conspiracy theories posted the last week in .se comment fields with very bad Swedish. I am going to answer this. If Russia was mistreated in Western media, Putin would have been burned in effigy every day for a decade in every city in the west over e.g. this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism#Massacres http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_t... "On October 21, 1999, a series of Russian ballistic missile strikes on central Grozny killed at least 137 people, mostly civilians, and injured hundreds. The missiles hit the city's main marketplace, a maternity hospital and a mosque." And other points listed on that page, which has never really been discussed in western media. But I guess Wikipedia, HRW et al are in on Obama's homosexual conspiracy? :-)
- balladeer 13y ago
  If it comes to being an ally and India has to choose between US and Russia, is it that hard to guess who it will choose? You can also sample the latest example.
Mikeb85 13y ago
Not only that, but homosexuality is actually completely legal in Russia. The law that everyone was in uproar about is that in Russia you're not allowed to promote non-traditional sexual relationships. Yet in what many claim is a 'free' country (India), homosexuality it outlawed outright. Funny how propaganda works.
- balladeer 13y ago
  What is a free country? You can pick your criteria but please try to make it adequate and generic Then name one free country on this planet.
randomafrican 13y ago
It's a matter of how things are moving. Homosexuality has been illegal in India. No change no uproar. Russia's laws have moved things bavkwards. Look at what happened in Uganda.
makomk 13y ago
India got quite a lot of criticism in the press for this at the time, and rightly so, but it dropped out of the news after a month or two because there was nothing new happening. Expect more press attention when there's news. (I doubt the Russian laws would've gotten so much attention if the Russian government didn't continually do things that drew attention to them.)

nileshtrivedi 13y ago

Actually, what's really illegal is "carnal intercourse against the order of nature" which covers oral and anal sex - both heterosexual and homosexual.

Nanzikambe 13y ago
Who on earth made that law? I mean seriously, what rational, feeling human being thinks: "Oral Sex? Ew! No thank you! Best make that illegal!" There's a world view I can't imagine.
- wutbrodo 13y ago
  I dunno if you're from/in the US, but this kind of view is a lot closer to. home than you'd think. Go back ten years and a dozen or two states had similar laws, and needed to be forced by the Supreme Court to invalidate them (go back a bit further and the number jumps). http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_Sta...
- sa1 13y ago
  It was made by the British rulers in 1861. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377_of_the_Indian_Penal_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377_of_the_Indian_Pena... Sadly, while the British have since got rid of the prudery, it continues here. The government in power is keen to have the Supreme court strike it down, to avoid any voting backlash from the conservative population. While one of the courts did strike it down, the Supreme Court later put the ball back into the Parliament's court, saying that only the Parliament can use its legislative powers to get rid of the law. Thankfully, there have been very few convictions under the law, but it has been used for harassment of some people.
- nileshtrivedi 13y ago
  The law was made by the British govt in line with the victorian era ethos (remember Alan Turing?). Many of the british laws were carried over when India became independent in 1947. When this law came up for review in the supreme court this year, it ruled that since the law criminalizes actions, not persons, it is not discriminatory and hence, not unconstitutional. As you can imagine, this was a very controversial judgment. But as things stand now, the supreme court has passed the ball back to the parliament to repeal/amend the law. I am not sure when exactly the original law was amended in Britain.

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balladeer 13y ago

It was accepted in India for some time and then suddenly the apex court reversed the ruling saying "unnatural sex" (same gender sex) is prohibited by the constitution. This was odd as our apex court doesn't really take such steps. Then it dawned upon me that it was merely interpreting the constitution. That part of the constitution is a legacy law from the time of the British occupation. Unfortunately we have not yet changed it. I don't see it being changed in the near future either, because the party that is supposed to gain majority in this general election is a "conservative" party basing most of their policy off religion. > why is it that this is rarely mentioned in western news media It is mentioned in Western media. Also in India you are not prosecuted for being a gay or homosexual unless you bring to the out in the open (I am not defending the culture). Which means you can't usually do girl-girl/guy-guy making out in the public. Hell, you can't even do girl-guy making out in the open. This is covered by some "indecency laws". So, basically it's like there's no witch-hunt on for gays and lesbians even though you declare that you are a homosexual. Now when someone says this country has a lot lot bigger issues to fix before fixing issues of homosexuality, please don't pounce on him/her because that's true (IMO).