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Tax evasion hurts society as a whole by reducing available resources for the programs that aid our country, and failure to provide child support harm the childr

Tax evasion hurts society as a whole by reducing available resources for the programs that aid our country, and failure to provide child support harm the children and mothers that the child support was intended for in much the same way. Neither of these are victimless crimes. Victimless crimes are typically things that only harm the person/people involved in the crime, i.e. prostitution, recreational drug use, or gambling.

baddox 13y ago
> Tax evasion hurts society as a whole by reducing available resources for the programs that aid our country That argument only works if taxation provides a net benefit to society.
- gnaritas 13y ago
  Tax evasion hurts society as a whole because you're free loading off the system and stealing from your fellow citizens who are paying their taxes. This argument is valid regardless of whether taxes benefit society or not.
  - abcabc321321123 13y ago
    >stealing from your fellow citizens who are paying their taxes. You are confusing who is stealing from whom.
    - gnaritas 13y ago
      No I'm really not; taxes are perfectly constitutional. Call it theft if you like but you're just being ridiculous.
      - baddox 13y ago
        Theft existed before the constitution, and the constitution didn't change what it means.
        gnaritas 13y ago
        Property is a social construct, society decides what is or isn't theft, not you. Taxation is not theft, and I'm not interested in the least in debating this, it's childish. You don't believe in government, I get it, and I don't care.
        baddox 13y ago
        I believe in government, I just don't approve of it, because I believe it has a net negative impact on society. My primary concern is not whether you or anyone else cares about my option, but rather what sort of societal organization might have the most positive impact on society.
- AnthonyMouse 13y ago
  > That argument only works if taxation provides a net benefit to society. How about this one then: At any given level of government spending and borrowing, tax evasion requires higher taxes to be imposed on those not engaged in tax evasion.
  - LeapingLennie 13y ago
    That is making the assumption that government spending is constant irrespective of tax revenue. If tax rates and public debt remain constant then tax avoidance will lead government spending to fall. This may mean fewer immoral actions conducted by the government such as wars or arresting people for victimless crimes. In this way, tax evasion can be not only harmless but a moral imperative.
    - AnthonyMouse 13y ago
      Do you not see where this is going? You could make exactly the same argument in favor of stealing government property.

baddox 13y ago

> Tax evasion hurts society as a whole by reducing available resources for the programs that aid our country That argument only works if taxation provides a net benefit to society.

gnaritas 13y ago
Tax evasion hurts society as a whole because you're free loading off the system and stealing from your fellow citizens who are paying their taxes. This argument is valid regardless of whether taxes benefit society or not.
- abcabc321321123 13y ago
  >stealing from your fellow citizens who are paying their taxes. You are confusing who is stealing from whom.
  - gnaritas 13y ago
    No I'm really not; taxes are perfectly constitutional. Call it theft if you like but you're just being ridiculous.
    - baddox 13y ago
      Theft existed before the constitution, and the constitution didn't change what it means.
      - gnaritas 13y ago
        Property is a social construct, society decides what is or isn't theft, not you. Taxation is not theft, and I'm not interested in the least in debating this, it's childish. You don't believe in government, I get it, and I don't care.
        baddox 13y ago
        I believe in government, I just don't approve of it, because I believe it has a net negative impact on society. My primary concern is not whether you or anyone else cares about my option, but rather what sort of societal organization might have the most positive impact on society.
AnthonyMouse 13y ago
> That argument only works if taxation provides a net benefit to society. How about this one then: At any given level of government spending and borrowing, tax evasion requires higher taxes to be imposed on those not engaged in tax evasion.
- LeapingLennie 13y ago
  That is making the assumption that government spending is constant irrespective of tax revenue. If tax rates and public debt remain constant then tax avoidance will lead government spending to fall. This may mean fewer immoral actions conducted by the government such as wars or arresting people for victimless crimes. In this way, tax evasion can be not only harmless but a moral imperative.
  - AnthonyMouse 13y ago
    Do you not see where this is going? You could make exactly the same argument in favor of stealing government property.