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I've called the Office of Mr. Bütikofer (German Green Party). They are not optimistic that Trautmans (Social Parties) draft will prevail since the Liberal Parti

I've called the Office of Mr. Bütikofer (German Green Party). They are not optimistic that Trautmans (Social Parties) draft will prevail since the Liberal Parties will probably vote against net neutrality :( Although there is hope. Fuck the EU, btw. I am sick of the EU Commission - they need constant supervision and try everything to ruin our freedoms in favor of coporatism. The EU needs to end. It can't be controlled democratly.

masklinn 13y ago
Your comment seems at odd with the site itself, according to which the commissionner's text, while definitely falling short, was not that far from a binding NN legislation before being significantly worsened in committees (that is, outside the commission you rant about): > While we welcome the intention to enshrine net neutrality into law across the EU, the proposal fails to deliver the promise of net neutrality as it contains several problematic loopholes. However, the text itself is not far off the mark. With the right improvements, the European Union could have binding net neutrality legislation. The proposal is now in hands of the Parliament and will be reviewed by several committees, with the Industry, Research and Energy (ITRE) committee as the lead in charge of this dossier. The modifications introduced in some committees have regrettably worsened the problems in the Commission proposal. (http://www.savetheinternet.eu/#regulation http://www.savetheinternet.eu/#regulation, emphasis mine) Also not sure what the relation is between your basic assertion that the EU commission is bad and the EU itself needing to end.
- killerpopiller 13y ago
  it is not about that specific fuck up about to go down, but about all the many proposition coming from the commission. Propositions which couldn't be introduced in a normal parliament, because they would be discussed and citizens would be at alert. E.g. the data retention laws. The EU distanced itself so far from it's citizens, most topics things don't reach the people here and this "regulation" is the best example. The EU is not democratic at all. The parliament members can't even propose new legislations and EU laws are not always compatible with nation constitutions which renders it's purpose close to illegitimate. Instead we have a far away bunch of "politicians" or better "soldiers" ready to legitimate everything with enough money and power.
higherpurpose 13y ago
The EU has been great for Europe, especially in terms of keeping the peace. I agree the Commission is very corruptible, though, and the EU Parliament probably needs a few more checks against the Commission's power other than completely dissolving it. With the EU Parliament I've been quite happy so far. It's the Commission that sucks. Hopefully we get a new and better one soon.
- killerpopiller 13y ago
  I am not talking about europe. It's growing together is a great achievement. But the EU as a political system is flawed! It's not a matter of questionable members of the commission, but that the parliament, those citizens being elected by us, is just an appendix. Actually it's status reminds me of the GDR or china. Please inform yourself about the ongoing free trade negotiations in which no MEP is involved.

masklinn 13y ago

Your comment seems at odd with the site itself, according to which the commissionner's text, while definitely falling short, was not that far from a binding NN legislation before being significantly worsened in committees (that is, outside the commission you rant about): > While we welcome the intention to enshrine net neutrality into law across the EU, the proposal fails to deliver the promise of net neutrality as it contains several problematic loopholes. However, the text itself is not far off the mark. With the right improvements, the European Union could have binding net neutrality legislation. The proposal is now in hands of the Parliament and will be reviewed by several committees, with the Industry, Research and Energy (ITRE) committee as the lead in charge of this dossier. The modifications introduced in some committees have regrettably worsened the problems in the Commission proposal. (http://www.savetheinternet.eu/#regulation http://www.savetheinternet.eu/#regulation, emphasis mine) Also not sure what the relation is between your basic assertion that the EU commission is bad and the EU itself needing to end.

killerpopiller 13y ago
it is not about that specific fuck up about to go down, but about all the many proposition coming from the commission. Propositions which couldn't be introduced in a normal parliament, because they would be discussed and citizens would be at alert. E.g. the data retention laws. The EU distanced itself so far from it's citizens, most topics things don't reach the people here and this "regulation" is the best example. The EU is not democratic at all. The parliament members can't even propose new legislations and EU laws are not always compatible with nation constitutions which renders it's purpose close to illegitimate. Instead we have a far away bunch of "politicians" or better "soldiers" ready to legitimate everything with enough money and power.

higherpurpose 13y ago

The EU has been great for Europe, especially in terms of keeping the peace. I agree the Commission is very corruptible, though, and the EU Parliament probably needs a few more checks against the Commission's power other than completely dissolving it. With the EU Parliament I've been quite happy so far. It's the Commission that sucks. Hopefully we get a new and better one soon.

killerpopiller 13y ago
I am not talking about europe. It's growing together is a great achievement. But the EU as a political system is flawed! It's not a matter of questionable members of the commission, but that the parliament, those citizens being elected by us, is just an appendix. Actually it's status reminds me of the GDR or china. Please inform yourself about the ongoing free trade negotiations in which no MEP is involved.