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"We make and sell a very, very large number of (hopefully) beautiful, well-made things. our success is a victory for purity, integrity — for giving a damn." Su

by T-zex 13y ago

"We make and sell a very, very large number of (hopefully) beautiful, well-made things. our success is a victory for purity, integrity — for giving a damn." Surely he's not talking about the headphones supplied with iDevices.

Zikes 13y ago
Or the MacBook charge cables that consistently break and need replaced on nearly a yearly basis.
- Jtsummers 13y ago
  I've seen many complaints about the charge cables, but never had an issue myself. Are there just some bad batches running around, or is it a particular model that's had issues?
  - Bud 13y ago
    It's a problem with people who think they can wind a power cable tightly around something hundreds of times, pay no attention to strain on it or to abusing the weak point where it enters the charger, and then are mystified when it finally fails. Apple's chargers are in fact much, much tougher than the competition's; this is obvious if you just look at the construction for five seconds and even more obvious if you go read a tear-down of them.
    - wlesieutre 13y ago
      To be fair, the windy-feet that Apple puts on their power bricks encourage users to do it. I figure that if I need a big coil for the line voltage side I might as well put the DC end in the same size loops, so I never use the built in cable winding. Haven't had any problems except for a close call with a rabbit. Then again, I don't carry it that frequently because the battery life is usually enough. Somebody who puts more wear on them would be more likely to have problems, but I'm not convinced they're so much worse than adapters from other companies.
    - kbutler 13y ago
      Nope. Had a white magsafe power adapter, never wound the cable tightly, cable basically fell apart. This same macbook also had the plastic case falling apart. It was an acknowledged design flaw, and Apple fixed it with more strain relief on later models, and a changed angle for a real fix. The durability of the charger has little to do with the presence of a design flaw in the cable.
    - kalleboo 13y ago
      > this is obvious if you just look at the construction for five seconds BS. When they introduced the current design they had no strain relief, because Steve Jobs thought they were ugly. Guess what? You need a damn strain relief. Year by year their strain reliefs have gotten longer and longer, but they still have a sharp cutoff (that looks pretty, I'll grant them that) that causes the cable to bunch up and break. And they've made mistakes with their materials choices as well. My parents had a Magsafe charger by the TV, used when sitting in the sofa. After a couple years, the plastic in the little clip you're supposed to use to wind up the cable reacted with the plastic in the cable, and if you moved it, it just tore the cable sheathing apart. > more obvious if you go read a tear-down of them The electronics are solid, I'll grant them that. But in the exterior they made tradeoffs for looks.
    - vacri 13y ago
      I've had a moderately sizeable interaction with various forms of cabling throughout my private and business life, and no, Apple cables generally have terrible strain relief. The cables might be otherwise nice, but the strain relief is generally awful.
  - jgmjgm 13y ago
    I think it's just the design. Where the cables exit the brick they are prone to strain -- the connection wire comes straight out. When you put the connector away, no matter how you do this, there will be some strain on the cable at this point. To some extent all power bricks will have some problems like this. I just think that the apple power supplies are particularly poorly designed. I've had a Dell and a macbook pro. The bog standard power supply on the Dell lasted 5+ years of daily use. The apple connector -- which I cared for more than the Dell -- lasted just over a year.
  - fpgeek 13y ago
    For me the biggest issue is that Apple went too far in trading utility for portability with their adapters. For instance, there's at least one model of MacBook Pro (from a few years back) that, when it's running flat out, drains its battery even when plugged in. I know that's a perfectly reasonable tradeoff for the many people who don't use the full power of their laptop most of the time, but for someone who wants to it's frustrating (especially since, so far as I can tell, there isn't even a more powerful adapter you can buy up to). I happen to prefer "the brick" Lenovo bundled with a comparable laptop. It does the job when plugged in (can charge the battery even if the laptop is going full blast) and there are adapters I can buy down to if I want something more portable.
- nmridul 13y ago
  Or the Mac Pro with faulty GPUs experienced by users around the world.... http://www.mbp2011.com/ http://www.mbp2011.com/ https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4766577?start=0&tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4766577?start=0&tstart=... https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4637833?start=0&tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4637833?start=0&tstart=...
dilap 13y ago
I actually really liked the previous-generation Apple earphones -- decent sound-quality, while also letting in lots of outside noise, which makes them safe-ish when used on the street. The latest generation sadly (and ironically) doesn't fit in my ear. So far, when I see someone trashing Apple headphones, they go on to recommend something which forms a tight-seal in the ear -- without a doubt better sounding, but really a different category of product.
- bananas 13y ago
  Safe outside? Big white arrow pointing to something expensive in your pocket!
  - dilap 13y ago
    Safer in that you can hear whats around you, I meant :)
- bitwize 13y ago
  IEMs (in-ear monitors, the earbuds which form a seal in the ear) are actually safer to use. The admission of background noise encourages users to turn up the volume, risking damage to their hearing, especially in loud environments where one is bound to use earphones (like subway trains). Me, I take one earbud out when I am in an area that requires auditory attention to my surroundings.
hahainternet 13y ago
What's funny is he goes on to pretend that iPhones are expensive because they're made with space age technologies like DIAMOND TIPPED CUTTERS. Shame that their margins are public knowledge and we know he's talking utter shit.
- jbigelow76 13y ago
  Diamond tip cut iPhones are the "steel cut oats" of the tech world.
  - wavefunction 13y ago
    I like this sentiment, to a point. Steel cut oats do have a special value when the only available alternative is "instant oatmeal." Not saying that's the case here, but that a true gradient in offerings is not always existent.
    - jbigelow76 13y ago
      It's not that there is no alternative to steel cut oats that aren't "instant", alternatives aren't the point. It's that the "steel cut" part is marketing bullshit. If I put two cups of oats, one cut down with a steel sickle and one with a plastic, there is going to be no discernible difference in taste.
VeejayRampay 13y ago
Or the Apple Store update servers for Mac OS X, who prompt a "Couldn't get the updates on the server at this time. Please try at a later time". Or the little black plastic pads covering the screws below MacBook Pros who get loose so easily, or tons of other examples like that. Apple products are rather good in terms of build, but it's not like it's the greatest ever either.

by T-zex 13y ago

Zikes 13y ago

Or the MacBook charge cables that consistently break and need replaced on nearly a yearly basis.

Jtsummers 13y ago
I've seen many complaints about the charge cables, but never had an issue myself. Are there just some bad batches running around, or is it a particular model that's had issues?
- Bud 13y ago
  It's a problem with people who think they can wind a power cable tightly around something hundreds of times, pay no attention to strain on it or to abusing the weak point where it enters the charger, and then are mystified when it finally fails. Apple's chargers are in fact much, much tougher than the competition's; this is obvious if you just look at the construction for five seconds and even more obvious if you go read a tear-down of them.
  - wlesieutre 13y ago
    To be fair, the windy-feet that Apple puts on their power bricks encourage users to do it. I figure that if I need a big coil for the line voltage side I might as well put the DC end in the same size loops, so I never use the built in cable winding. Haven't had any problems except for a close call with a rabbit. Then again, I don't carry it that frequently because the battery life is usually enough. Somebody who puts more wear on them would be more likely to have problems, but I'm not convinced they're so much worse than adapters from other companies.
  - kbutler 13y ago
    Nope. Had a white magsafe power adapter, never wound the cable tightly, cable basically fell apart. This same macbook also had the plastic case falling apart. It was an acknowledged design flaw, and Apple fixed it with more strain relief on later models, and a changed angle for a real fix. The durability of the charger has little to do with the presence of a design flaw in the cable.
  - kalleboo 13y ago
    > this is obvious if you just look at the construction for five seconds BS. When they introduced the current design they had no strain relief, because Steve Jobs thought they were ugly. Guess what? You need a damn strain relief. Year by year their strain reliefs have gotten longer and longer, but they still have a sharp cutoff (that looks pretty, I'll grant them that) that causes the cable to bunch up and break. And they've made mistakes with their materials choices as well. My parents had a Magsafe charger by the TV, used when sitting in the sofa. After a couple years, the plastic in the little clip you're supposed to use to wind up the cable reacted with the plastic in the cable, and if you moved it, it just tore the cable sheathing apart. > more obvious if you go read a tear-down of them The electronics are solid, I'll grant them that. But in the exterior they made tradeoffs for looks.
  - vacri 13y ago
    I've had a moderately sizeable interaction with various forms of cabling throughout my private and business life, and no, Apple cables generally have terrible strain relief. The cables might be otherwise nice, but the strain relief is generally awful.
- jgmjgm 13y ago
  I think it's just the design. Where the cables exit the brick they are prone to strain -- the connection wire comes straight out. When you put the connector away, no matter how you do this, there will be some strain on the cable at this point. To some extent all power bricks will have some problems like this. I just think that the apple power supplies are particularly poorly designed. I've had a Dell and a macbook pro. The bog standard power supply on the Dell lasted 5+ years of daily use. The apple connector -- which I cared for more than the Dell -- lasted just over a year.
- fpgeek 13y ago
  For me the biggest issue is that Apple went too far in trading utility for portability with their adapters. For instance, there's at least one model of MacBook Pro (from a few years back) that, when it's running flat out, drains its battery even when plugged in. I know that's a perfectly reasonable tradeoff for the many people who don't use the full power of their laptop most of the time, but for someone who wants to it's frustrating (especially since, so far as I can tell, there isn't even a more powerful adapter you can buy up to). I happen to prefer "the brick" Lenovo bundled with a comparable laptop. It does the job when plugged in (can charge the battery even if the laptop is going full blast) and there are adapters I can buy down to if I want something more portable.
nmridul 13y ago
Or the Mac Pro with faulty GPUs experienced by users around the world.... http://www.mbp2011.com/ http://www.mbp2011.com/ https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4766577?start=0&tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4766577?start=0&tstart=... https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4637833?start=0&tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4637833?start=0&tstart=...

dilap 13y ago

I actually really liked the previous-generation Apple earphones -- decent sound-quality, while also letting in lots of outside noise, which makes them safe-ish when used on the street. The latest generation sadly (and ironically) doesn't fit in my ear. So far, when I see someone trashing Apple headphones, they go on to recommend something which forms a tight-seal in the ear -- without a doubt better sounding, but really a different category of product.

bananas 13y ago
Safe outside? Big white arrow pointing to something expensive in your pocket!
- dilap 13y ago
  Safer in that you can hear whats around you, I meant :)
bitwize 13y ago
IEMs (in-ear monitors, the earbuds which form a seal in the ear) are actually safer to use. The admission of background noise encourages users to turn up the volume, risking damage to their hearing, especially in loud environments where one is bound to use earphones (like subway trains). Me, I take one earbud out when I am in an area that requires auditory attention to my surroundings.

hahainternet 13y ago

What's funny is he goes on to pretend that iPhones are expensive because they're made with space age technologies like DIAMOND TIPPED CUTTERS. Shame that their margins are public knowledge and we know he's talking utter shit.

jbigelow76 13y ago
Diamond tip cut iPhones are the "steel cut oats" of the tech world.
- wavefunction 13y ago
  I like this sentiment, to a point. Steel cut oats do have a special value when the only available alternative is "instant oatmeal." Not saying that's the case here, but that a true gradient in offerings is not always existent.
  - jbigelow76 13y ago
    It's not that there is no alternative to steel cut oats that aren't "instant", alternatives aren't the point. It's that the "steel cut" part is marketing bullshit. If I put two cups of oats, one cut down with a steel sickle and one with a plastic, there is going to be no discernible difference in taste.

VeejayRampay 13y ago

Or the Apple Store update servers for Mac OS X, who prompt a "Couldn't get the updates on the server at this time. Please try at a later time". Or the little black plastic pads covering the screws below MacBook Pros who get loose so easily, or tons of other examples like that. Apple products are rather good in terms of build, but it's not like it's the greatest ever either.