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We already have a solution for that - cryptocurrencies. This is the exact situation in mind when bitcoin was created. Seeder gets some bitcoins for streaming th

We already have a solution for that - cryptocurrencies. This is the exact situation in mind when bitcoin was created. Seeder gets some bitcoins for streaming the torrent, and leechers pay for the movie in bitcoins. You can seed and download at the same rate to come even. Nobody loses, there's the incentive to seed, everyone's happy. Now we only need system to incorporate crypto into such system. Maybe even into popcorn time fork.

skrebbel 13y ago
This is a nice idea, but if you're going to pay money for content, doesn't it make a lot more sense to pay it to a legit publisher/distributor rather than a pirate?
- dagw 13y ago
  Absolutely. The problem is, as always, convincing the legit publisher/distributor to sell you the product you want at a price you find reasonable.
- icebraining 13y ago
  Barring ethical and legal issues, no, not really; the pirates offer a better product. And in some places, they're the only providers at all.
- slowmotiony 13y ago
  Sure - providing you live in the US and you have a way to pay it to a legit publisher. Where I live, hulu/netflix/itunes are blocked.
- nissehulth 13y ago
  Yes, but it seems the publishers aren't that interested in my money. While I do live in a country where I can at least watch Netflix, there's so much content that's not available to me due to artificial licensing constrains. Piracy is not the answer, but perhaps the only way to get some people to realize that the world is changing.
- orclev 13y ago
  You seem to have missed the point about coming out even. If you seed to give back you actually come out even or possibly ahead so you aren't actually paying in the long run. Of course that's also a bit of a pyramid scheme because it relies on someone else to be leeching in order to get your money back. If you happen to be one the last ones to watch a movie, or it's one that's been out a while so not many people are interested in watching you may end up net negative. It would have the disadvantage of discouraging people from watching anything but popular movies, of course it would also possibly encourage people to seed less popular stuff.
- antr 13y ago
  I pay for a private torrent tracker because it's impossible to get the content (tv/movies) I want. So even if I wanted to pay content creators, I can't. Having said that, I don't feel I'm pirating content simply because, as a consumer, I'm being ignored. So either way content creators wouldn't be getting my money.
bernatfp 13y ago
Here's where a Proof of Bandwidth system like Bitcloud would come very handy. This way everybody is rewarded automatically in the same measure they contribute (ie seeding).
- ssafejava 13y ago
  That would be perfect for a ratio-enforcement scheme that works cross-tracker. I'm sure there would be ways to game it, but it could go a long way in ensuring the average user gives what they get. It would be awesome to integrate a 'currency' into a similar client, where you slowly earn more by seeding.
Aissen 13y ago
You just described how private trackers work. (Except the crypto-proof).
- cLeEOGPw 13y ago
  Except that ratio can be falsified easier than cryptocurrency and you can't use ratio for anything else but "buy" movies.
misingnoglic 13y ago
It seems like the ratio system most private trackers already have (and had before bitcoin)
- cLeEOGPw 13y ago
  I didn't suggest ratio because of how easy it can be manipulated. Cryptocurrencies solve that problem at least partially.
  - gnopgnip 13y ago
    How would it prevent manipulation?
    - cLeEOGPw 13y ago
      It wouldn't prevent in itself, but would help by providing unduplicable unit of account. Well, as I think now, it would be almost the same as simple ratio, because I doubt ratio cheating comes from manually editing ratio in database.

skrebbel 13y ago

This is a nice idea, but if you're going to pay money for content, doesn't it make a lot more sense to pay it to a legit publisher/distributor rather than a pirate?

dagw 13y ago
Absolutely. The problem is, as always, convincing the legit publisher/distributor to sell you the product you want at a price you find reasonable.
icebraining 13y ago
Barring ethical and legal issues, no, not really; the pirates offer a better product. And in some places, they're the only providers at all.
slowmotiony 13y ago
Sure - providing you live in the US and you have a way to pay it to a legit publisher. Where I live, hulu/netflix/itunes are blocked.
nissehulth 13y ago
Yes, but it seems the publishers aren't that interested in my money. While I do live in a country where I can at least watch Netflix, there's so much content that's not available to me due to artificial licensing constrains. Piracy is not the answer, but perhaps the only way to get some people to realize that the world is changing.
orclev 13y ago
You seem to have missed the point about coming out even. If you seed to give back you actually come out even or possibly ahead so you aren't actually paying in the long run. Of course that's also a bit of a pyramid scheme because it relies on someone else to be leeching in order to get your money back. If you happen to be one the last ones to watch a movie, or it's one that's been out a while so not many people are interested in watching you may end up net negative. It would have the disadvantage of discouraging people from watching anything but popular movies, of course it would also possibly encourage people to seed less popular stuff.
antr 13y ago
I pay for a private torrent tracker because it's impossible to get the content (tv/movies) I want. So even if I wanted to pay content creators, I can't. Having said that, I don't feel I'm pirating content simply because, as a consumer, I'm being ignored. So either way content creators wouldn't be getting my money.

bernatfp 13y ago

Here's where a Proof of Bandwidth system like Bitcloud would come very handy. This way everybody is rewarded automatically in the same measure they contribute (ie seeding).

ssafejava 13y ago
That would be perfect for a ratio-enforcement scheme that works cross-tracker. I'm sure there would be ways to game it, but it could go a long way in ensuring the average user gives what they get. It would be awesome to integrate a 'currency' into a similar client, where you slowly earn more by seeding.

Aissen 13y ago

You just described how private trackers work. (Except the crypto-proof).

cLeEOGPw 13y ago
Except that ratio can be falsified easier than cryptocurrency and you can't use ratio for anything else but "buy" movies.

misingnoglic 13y ago

It seems like the ratio system most private trackers already have (and had before bitcoin)

cLeEOGPw 13y ago
I didn't suggest ratio because of how easy it can be manipulated. Cryptocurrencies solve that problem at least partially.
- gnopgnip 13y ago
  How would it prevent manipulation?
  - cLeEOGPw 13y ago
    It wouldn't prevent in itself, but would help by providing unduplicable unit of account. Well, as I think now, it would be almost the same as simple ratio, because I doubt ratio cheating comes from manually editing ratio in database.