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Let's consider what it means for this GitHub hula hoop party to be "unsafe." What is the dangerous thing that Horvath thought would happen? Do we really consi

by pekk 13y ago

Let's consider what it means for this GitHub hula hoop party to be "unsafe." What is the dangerous thing that Horvath thought would happen? Do we really consider the suggestion plausible that GitHub's allowance of hula-hooping-watching will result in a gang rape in its offices?

comrh 13y ago
Quite the stretch you've outlined. But maybe "unsafe" could mean the exact things Horvath mentions happened to her like coworkers visiting her at her home to make advances.
- cypherpunks01 13y ago
  Where are you reading that the coworker visited her at home? All I saw is, 'asked himself over to “talk"' in a context which implied to me that it took place at the office.
  - sp332 13y ago
    I guess that's a valid interpretation, but I'm still leaning toward the meaning that he was at her house.
  - comrh 13y ago
    That is a good point, I may have read too much into "asked himself over".
lstamour 13y ago
Is gang rape really only one step removed from hula hooping or is that the only meaning of "unsafe" behaviour you can think of? Having a safe work environment can simply mean being treated professionally and equally. I mean, sexual harassment has a wide scope from "she knew she wanted it," to "it was uncomfortable or rude," and unsafe should cover all of the above. Really, the unsafe refers to a perception that safety features aren't present -- in this case that there was no other avenue to report or discourage this behaviour before it became a cultural norm. Is it wrong or harmful? Maybe not physically, but obviously emotionally, to at least one person. This is why having a neutral second opinion and ... process, can sometimes be a good thing. At the very least, it provides distance to look at things more objectively.
- leccine 13y ago
  Watching your co-workers playing hula hoop makes you feel unsafe? Even if it does, how would you present this to court? You think this is enough legal ground for sexual harassment? Come on... The world is the way how we shape it and I definitely don't want to live in a world when I can't do something silly with my co-workers without watching out for feminists or other frustrated hatred people around us.
  - achompas 13y ago
    Out of context, maybe the hula-hooping is harmless. Whatever, fine. Now consider the hula-hooping when > a coworker hit on you and messed with your work after you shot him down, and > a founder's wife -- someone with significant power at the company -- attempts to inject herself into your relationship and intimidates you > you seemingly have nowhere to go to discuss these issues, after speaking with another founder does not change your working atmosphere Again, as someone who supposedly understands oppression in the workplace, you're not empathizing with someone who claims to have experienced it.

by pekk 13y ago

comrh 13y ago

Quite the stretch you've outlined. But maybe "unsafe" could mean the exact things Horvath mentions happened to her like coworkers visiting her at her home to make advances.

cypherpunks01 13y ago
Where are you reading that the coworker visited her at home? All I saw is, 'asked himself over to “talk"' in a context which implied to me that it took place at the office.
- sp332 13y ago
  I guess that's a valid interpretation, but I'm still leaning toward the meaning that he was at her house.
- comrh 13y ago
  That is a good point, I may have read too much into "asked himself over".

lstamour 13y ago

Is gang rape really only one step removed from hula hooping or is that the only meaning of "unsafe" behaviour you can think of? Having a safe work environment can simply mean being treated professionally and equally. I mean, sexual harassment has a wide scope from "she knew she wanted it," to "it was uncomfortable or rude," and unsafe should cover all of the above. Really, the unsafe refers to a perception that safety features aren't present -- in this case that there was no other avenue to report or discourage this behaviour before it became a cultural norm. Is it wrong or harmful? Maybe not physically, but obviously emotionally, to at least one person. This is why having a neutral second opinion and ... process, can sometimes be a good thing. At the very least, it provides distance to look at things more objectively.

leccine 13y ago
Watching your co-workers playing hula hoop makes you feel unsafe? Even if it does, how would you present this to court? You think this is enough legal ground for sexual harassment? Come on... The world is the way how we shape it and I definitely don't want to live in a world when I can't do something silly with my co-workers without watching out for feminists or other frustrated hatred people around us.
- achompas 13y ago
  Out of context, maybe the hula-hooping is harmless. Whatever, fine. Now consider the hula-hooping when > a coworker hit on you and messed with your work after you shot him down, and > a founder's wife -- someone with significant power at the company -- attempts to inject herself into your relationship and intimidates you > you seemingly have nowhere to go to discuss these issues, after speaking with another founder does not change your working atmosphere Again, as someone who supposedly understands oppression in the workplace, you're not empathizing with someone who claims to have experienced it.