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> And you're suggesting that therefore I, too, should make less money, even though my choice not to do so will make no difference in the world. It's great that

> And you're suggesting that therefore I, too, should make less money, even though my choice not to do so will make no difference in the world. It's great that you may one day be powerful enough to help with equality. But in the meantime you are going to be fine with gaining that power by abusing your privilege? How's that equality coming along then? Doing the right thing isn't a fucking cost/benefit analysis. What you (apparently) participate in is the fucking problem [0]. The next time you think, 'why aren't there more women in tech', go look in a fucking mirror. > Morality is a bitch. Yes but I at least protest those things. And I do volunteer, and donate. Apparently because the world is horrible we can all just be passive about the injustices we can fix. Go fuck yourself. [0] http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/319212/Why_Women_Quit_Technology http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/319212/Why_Women_Quit...

tomp 13y ago
I'm going to ignore your insulting tone... :/ > But in the meantime you are going to be fine with gaining that power by abusing your privilege? What I had in mind (and I tried to communicate to you in the above post) is more that I will be using my privilege, not abusing it. If you find that objectionable, what else do you suggest? That I give my flat to the homeless guy, so that he will be forced to move out in a month because he won't afford the rent, just because I was lucky enough to learn programming while young and can make a good living now? That I move to India and use all my money to buy food for the poor and when it's gone starve along with them, just because I was lucky enough to be born in a first-world country? Maybe I misunderstood you, and you're only suggesting that I don't perpetuate inequal, discriminatory treatment towards others. If so, I totally agree with that and always try to do my best. If, however, you're suggesting that I should put myself, my family and my future at a disadvantage just so that I can fight some class war against unspecified enemies for an unspecified gain, I'm not going to do that. And even if I would, I would dedicate my resources to more serious problems than sex inequality in tech.
- SolarNet 13y ago
  There is a middle ground I would hope, and you do appear to be in it. Apologies about the tone, but getting screwed out of opportunities by (supremely obvious, to the point I suspect less obvious ones in other cases) 'old boy' connections is infuriating. Especially when I actually like the people benefiting from it, and none of them actually like participating in it. So I'm taking my anger out on anonymous people on the internet while I still have no empathy for them... Perhaps it's a definition problem. When I say 'old boys club' I'm thinking of those groups of powerful people who scratch each others backs for jobs. People who promote based off of networking rather than qualifications, and who often discriminate against many other groups, often not promoting them in favour of under-qualified people who are part of the network. I'm not saying tell them they are stupid or anything. But perhaps stop participating in their group?

tomp 13y ago

I'm going to ignore your insulting tone... :/ > But in the meantime you are going to be fine with gaining that power by abusing your privilege? What I had in mind (and I tried to communicate to you in the above post) is more that I will be using my privilege, not abusing it. If you find that objectionable, what else do you suggest? That I give my flat to the homeless guy, so that he will be forced to move out in a month because he won't afford the rent, just because I was lucky enough to learn programming while young and can make a good living now? That I move to India and use all my money to buy food for the poor and when it's gone starve along with them, just because I was lucky enough to be born in a first-world country? Maybe I misunderstood you, and you're only suggesting that I don't perpetuate inequal, discriminatory treatment towards others. If so, I totally agree with that and always try to do my best. If, however, you're suggesting that I should put myself, my family and my future at a disadvantage just so that I can fight some class war against unspecified enemies for an unspecified gain, I'm not going to do that. And even if I would, I would dedicate my resources to more serious problems than sex inequality in tech.

SolarNet 13y ago
There is a middle ground I would hope, and you do appear to be in it. Apologies about the tone, but getting screwed out of opportunities by (supremely obvious, to the point I suspect less obvious ones in other cases) 'old boy' connections is infuriating. Especially when I actually like the people benefiting from it, and none of them actually like participating in it. So I'm taking my anger out on anonymous people on the internet while I still have no empathy for them... Perhaps it's a definition problem. When I say 'old boys club' I'm thinking of those groups of powerful people who scratch each others backs for jobs. People who promote based off of networking rather than qualifications, and who often discriminate against many other groups, often not promoting them in favour of under-qualified people who are part of the network. I'm not saying tell them they are stupid or anything. But perhaps stop participating in their group?