before everyone comes out with their russia hate here's old leaks of emails from the udar party[1]. a lot of people predicted that meddling with ukraine would

before everyone comes out with their russia hate here's old leaks of emails from the udar party[1]. a lot of people predicted that meddling with ukraine would lead to another split state, and that is precisely what we see unfolding. it doesn't matter whether the west is right, or whether russia is right. the immense complacency that has grown in european, and us leadership with total disregard of russias interests is what brought the situation to the situation we have right now. when we do things it's justified. when others do them they're wrong. what puzzles me, is that we're supposed to be on hacker news. people that decompose, and extend other people's works on a day to day basis sit here, and comment how it's "obviously" wrong to think putin is right. wait what? normally there is a bunch of people criticizing lack of objectivity or critical thought, but when it comes to territorial right, and sexism there is only one way. and what others say is dismissed as propaganda. the group that made a political coup in the ukraine with the support of the west, to overthrow an elected leader - whether we like him or not is irrelevant -, directly, or indirectly(with money, threat of sanctions, threat of no economic cooperation), has now unanimously voted for creating a national guard to fight terrorists[2]. the terrorists? what? heres a map of crimea[4]. have you ever thought about geopolitics? did you really think russia would completely distance itself from the situation? we didn't. we kept fueling the conflict. what on earth makes you think we're entitled to more than russia? what on earth made you think that russia wouldn't take advantage of it's influence like we took on ours? according to a german politician the words the founder of the svoboda party were this: "Grab the guns, fight the Russian pigs, the Germans, the Jews pigs and others"(sadly, i am not entirely sure what the sources of his speech are, if you understand german you can listen to the speech here, he's been blasting both russia, AND the western leadership[3]). the leader of the anti government riots is now the Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine. his deputy is the right sector leader yarosh. I don't really care whether your think the current ukrainian government has legitimacy or not. that is your personal opinion, and may or may not be right. it's not really for me to judge. but completely disregarding the facts, and calling everyone that is not of your opinion a propagandatist or someone fed by russian propaganda is disgusting. is that really the level we are discussing things on? [1] http://pastebin.com/8mpTbTqY http://pastebin.com/8mpTbTqY [2] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26558288 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26558288 [3] http://youtu.be/pXLy0NGW9sM http://youtu.be/pXLy0NGW9sM [4] http://mkalty.org/crimea/ http://mkalty.org/crimea/