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Two women are dancing to music at work in a tech company and the author compares this to a scene at a strip club as men are watching this. Unless this was a reg
by lindig 13y ago
Two women are dancing to music at work in a tech company and the author compares this to a scene at a strip club as men are watching this. Unless this was a regular exercise, what was everybody expecting? Nobody taking notice?
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- dangero 13y agoYeah this section really damaged her credibility for me. She says the guys were "gawking", so they were not saying anything inappropriate, just "staring openly and stupidly". I can picture a professional business environment where gawking would be inappropriate, but I have a hard time picturing that environment with women hula hooping to music. Plus is gawking a crime? Yes, those random employees were being unprofessional, but worth writing about in an email to Tech Crunch?
- intortus 13y agoI didn't know that TechCrunch was strictly involved with reporting crime. (Btw, TechCrunch asked.)
- dangero 13y agoTechCrunch asked what? I meant crime in a figurative sense: "an action or activity that, although not illegal, is considered to be evil, shameful, or wrong.". I've quit a lot of jobs, but I've never felt a desire to correspond with the press as to why. My assumption would be that if I ever did want to share my misgivings with the press, I would want to share the substantial ones, not the petty ones. I'm just saying this seems like a petty issue that in my opinion weakens the overall narrative.
- freshfunk 13y agoSame. This just makes it look like she's overly sensitive and perceiving things in a very skewed and unfair light.
- Spearchucker 13y agoGiven what she's gone through and experienced until that point, over-sensitivity might be expected, if not justifiable. I'd caution against taking any single event in isolation and without context.
- intortus 13y agoAnd Dave Chapelle walked out of a $50 million contract because something normal (a couple of white guys laughing at a funny skit) rubbed him the wrong way. Sometimes a seemingly normal occurrence can pierce through one's facade of denial so sharply that the toxicity of the environment becomes inescapably apparent. And then what are you supposed to do? Pretend like nothing matters? Hello existential crisis.
- facepalm 13y agoIt's fine if she doesn't like men oogling hoola hoopers. That's a personal preference. It's another thing to turn that into a general discussion of sexism and claiming at the same time that all men are rapists waiting to happen (which the "feeling unsafe" bit seems to imply).
- korzun 13y agoIf a dude got up and started dancing in my office, I would stare too. Who wouldn't?
- zaqokm 13y ago> Two women are dancing to music at work in a tech company and the author compares this to a scene at a strip club as men are watching this. It seems hula hooping is ok, until men start watching. This is the most confusing bit she is saying. It basically equates to saying that strip clubs are not strip clubs until men start watching. Woman hula hooping are bound to attract attention, for a variety of reasons. Julie, associated that with strippers, she could have associated it with entertainment or fun. The implication is that it is the men's mindset, I personally find that a rather sexiest statement on it's own towards men. It seems the techcrunch article is very full of hyperbole.
- enupten 13y agoIt wasn't just people noticing them from their desks (or joining them, for the sake of well-humoured fun). It was, as she says, "line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them". I would find that a bit odd.
- facepalm 13y agoI would find women doing hoola hoop in the office a bit odd. Maybe it really depends on the company culture, but I don't see how either things could be called inherently sexist or threatening.
- facepalm 13y agoAlso not even going to a strip club turns men into rapists, so "feeling unsafe" because of such an event sounds rather crazy to me.