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It's not a fucking parade. It's people's careers and livelihoods. Since when is speaking out about abuse (of any kind) trivially equated to relieving oneself?

facepalm 13y ago
Well what I mean is that these are serious accusations, not just something you say "just like that". So there is a backlash, because people try to defend their turf (a ka their parade). Society seems to be divided in people who automatically believe all such accusations, and people who ask questions (and probably also people who automatically disbelieve them, to be fair). To me it seems fair to ask questions if so much is at stake.
rds2000 13y ago
The results are predictable. A marketer / evangelist on twitter that survives off validation exploits a loophole in USA's charitable, politically correct culture. She bites more than she can chew, she is copying what she sees in popular culture of an Erin Brokovich fighting her enemies. She simply is mentally unable to admit personal fault. Why? Social media encouragement and well-meaning enablers. The secret.ly screenshot says how she can't handle professional criticism - behaviorally reinforced by culture, twitter and social networking sites "+1" and "retweet" is more important that doing what her manager and the house wants her to do.
- tptacek 13y ago
  I don't know why anyone takes the bait with your comments. You're an anonymous single-issue throwaway account; there are no comments in your whole history that aren't you taking a valiant stand against the evil forces of feminism.
  - jsmthrowaway 13y ago
    Imagine if someone shared an opinion in support of feminism, and you, having read something you disagree with, proceeded to read their entire comment history and then comment upon it. That's a very, very common tactic against the very people you're supporting, so I'd caution against venturing down this path. Everybody loses. If you disagree, form some substance. If you want to attack the messenger, hold your tongue. You're not helping regardless of which side you stand on and no matter how obviously that account is perceived by you to be a troll.
    - tptacek 13y ago
      I have no idea what you're trying to tell me here. The person we're talking about is a troll. That's useful information, regardless of whether it bothers you.
      - jsmthrowaway 13y ago
        I'm just saying it's a common silencing tactic in the inverse and you're encouraging its efficacy.
        tptacek 13y ago
        This is what you're sticking up for: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7406870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7406870 You're comfortable with that?
        jsmthrowaway 13y ago
        Yeah, because saying "be careful disagreeing in that manner because people use that tactic against feminists all the time" is totally sticking up for the comment in question. I'm on board with that logic, 100%. All the way. Because it totally makes sense. Normally I'd ignore it but you're trying to be an ally. Except, you're using one of the top tricks in the book that is used against your very allies to silence them, in order to silence a troll account that you disagree with. Pot, kettle, and so forth.
        tptacek 13y ago
        I am not trying to be an ally. These HN threads are beyond rescuing. My problem is that HN's immune system doesn't appear to recognize commenters like the one above for what they are. It's the immune system that needs to improve, not the logic on these gangrenous threads.
        kefka 13y ago

facepalm 13y ago

Well what I mean is that these are serious accusations, not just something you say "just like that". So there is a backlash, because people try to defend their turf (a ka their parade). Society seems to be divided in people who automatically believe all such accusations, and people who ask questions (and probably also people who automatically disbelieve them, to be fair). To me it seems fair to ask questions if so much is at stake.

rds2000 13y ago

The results are predictable. A marketer / evangelist on twitter that survives off validation exploits a loophole in USA's charitable, politically correct culture. She bites more than she can chew, she is copying what she sees in popular culture of an Erin Brokovich fighting her enemies. She simply is mentally unable to admit personal fault. Why? Social media encouragement and well-meaning enablers. The secret.ly screenshot says how she can't handle professional criticism - behaviorally reinforced by culture, twitter and social networking sites "+1" and "retweet" is more important that doing what her manager and the house wants her to do.

tptacek 13y ago
I don't know why anyone takes the bait with your comments. You're an anonymous single-issue throwaway account; there are no comments in your whole history that aren't you taking a valiant stand against the evil forces of feminism.
- jsmthrowaway 13y ago
  Imagine if someone shared an opinion in support of feminism, and you, having read something you disagree with, proceeded to read their entire comment history and then comment upon it. That's a very, very common tactic against the very people you're supporting, so I'd caution against venturing down this path. Everybody loses. If you disagree, form some substance. If you want to attack the messenger, hold your tongue. You're not helping regardless of which side you stand on and no matter how obviously that account is perceived by you to be a troll.
  - tptacek 13y ago
    I have no idea what you're trying to tell me here. The person we're talking about is a troll. That's useful information, regardless of whether it bothers you.
    - jsmthrowaway 13y ago
      I'm just saying it's a common silencing tactic in the inverse and you're encouraging its efficacy.
      - tptacek 13y ago
        This is what you're sticking up for: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7406870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7406870 You're comfortable with that?
        jsmthrowaway 13y ago
        Yeah, because saying "be careful disagreeing in that manner because people use that tactic against feminists all the time" is totally sticking up for the comment in question. I'm on board with that logic, 100%. All the way. Because it totally makes sense. Normally I'd ignore it but you're trying to be an ally. Except, you're using one of the top tricks in the book that is used against your very allies to silence them, in order to silence a troll account that you disagree with. Pot, kettle, and so forth.
        tptacek 13y ago
        I am not trying to be an ally. These HN threads are beyond rescuing. My problem is that HN's immune system doesn't appear to recognize commenters like the one above for what they are. It's the immune system that needs to improve, not the logic on these gangrenous threads.
        kefka 13y ago