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"You'd best be served by writing a thoughtful, accurate summary of the events that occurred, and let the reader decide for themselves how to respond." Maybe sh

by dbloom 13y ago

"You'd best be served by writing a thoughtful, accurate summary of the events that occurred, and let the reader decide for themselves how to respond." Maybe she doesn't want the story to be about the specific events in her specific case. She wants it to be about the industry as a whole. Going into the details would distract from that message. The problems here are not specific to GitHub and certainly are not specific to her.

claudius 13y ago
> The problems here are not specific to GitHub and certainly are not specific to her. The problem here is that nobody has yet given a concrete example of such a problem. In this particular case, there are a bunch of vague tweets, in others, people looked at user-submitted content etc. Just saying ‘there is a problem’ neither makes it clear that there is a problem, nor what that problem is nor how to fix that problem.
- dbloom 13y ago
  According to Julie, GitHub's HR department is aware of the problems, and has been for a while: https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/444887201935945729 https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/444887201935945729 . GitHub knows about the problems. I hope GitHub makes an honest effort to fix them. And I hope they blog about what they fixed and why they fixed it. Hopefully when that happens, there will be some good lessons there. But we don't have to collectively relive what Julie went through. This story is about a real, systemic problem. It shouldn't turn into a "true crime" infotainment story about one person's experience.
  - korzun 13y ago
    "According to Julie" GitHub went through tons of PR issues, if she had a valid complaint do you think HR would ignore it? Let's use common sense here for a minute. If she had issue with the company and went public with this, she can say what it was. There is no need to post tweets and beating around the bush on this issue.
dsuth 13y ago
This is not helpful. Either there is a problem at Github, or there isn't. Couching it in terms of a general problem across the industry is not helpful. Is the leadership at Github sexist? You can't just handwave that question away and say "Of course it is, it's a well-known industry problem.", when a specific event has caused that allegation to be made very public. Talking about the event in question gives rise to understanding, generalities and vague tweets do not. I don't want to attack the messenger here, but all we have to go on are a series of tweets which do not, by themselves, present a very clear message. She claims to be harassed by the leadership for two years... whilst defending them to feminists for the same time? And then in the next tweet, it's only the events of one day which have caused a problem. It's very hard to get a consistent story out of the information at hand, which is why people are asking for a better explanation. Since Horvath has made this public in the first place, I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation.

by dbloom 13y ago

claudius 13y ago

> The problems here are not specific to GitHub and certainly are not specific to her. The problem here is that nobody has yet given a concrete example of such a problem. In this particular case, there are a bunch of vague tweets, in others, people looked at user-submitted content etc. Just saying ‘there is a problem’ neither makes it clear that there is a problem, nor what that problem is nor how to fix that problem.

dbloom 13y ago
According to Julie, GitHub's HR department is aware of the problems, and has been for a while: https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/444887201935945729 https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/444887201935945729 . GitHub knows about the problems. I hope GitHub makes an honest effort to fix them. And I hope they blog about what they fixed and why they fixed it. Hopefully when that happens, there will be some good lessons there. But we don't have to collectively relive what Julie went through. This story is about a real, systemic problem. It shouldn't turn into a "true crime" infotainment story about one person's experience.
- korzun 13y ago
  "According to Julie" GitHub went through tons of PR issues, if she had a valid complaint do you think HR would ignore it? Let's use common sense here for a minute. If she had issue with the company and went public with this, she can say what it was. There is no need to post tweets and beating around the bush on this issue.

dsuth 13y ago

This is not helpful. Either there is a problem at Github, or there isn't. Couching it in terms of a general problem across the industry is not helpful. Is the leadership at Github sexist? You can't just handwave that question away and say "Of course it is, it's a well-known industry problem.", when a specific event has caused that allegation to be made very public. Talking about the event in question gives rise to understanding, generalities and vague tweets do not. I don't want to attack the messenger here, but all we have to go on are a series of tweets which do not, by themselves, present a very clear message. She claims to be harassed by the leadership for two years... whilst defending them to feminists for the same time? And then in the next tweet, it's only the events of one day which have caused a problem. It's very hard to get a consistent story out of the information at hand, which is why people are asking for a better explanation. Since Horvath has made this public in the first place, I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation.