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Good. I do not want open source to prevail. I want free software. On a less provocative note, I don't understand the argument about web apps. There's tons of F

Good. I do not want open source to prevail. I want free software. On a less provocative note, I don't understand the argument about web apps. There's tons of FOSS web application frameworks and widget toolkits, and the web is slowly conquering the desktop, for better or for worse. Has it not dominated?

bitwize 13y ago
No, it has not. The future of computing is on apps coded against one of two proprietary platforms: Apple's or Google's.
- mindcrime 13y ago
  The future of computing is on apps coded against one of two proprietary platforms: Apple's or Google's That's an overly narrow view that seems to equate all of "computing" with "smart phones / tablets". I don't think that's a very accurate view. A lot of what happens on computers has nothing to with either.
  - tluyben2 13y ago
    It's quite accurate for consumer computing though. I just don't see that Android is closed source in that way; the implementation you program against to make the software people use on their tablets/phones is Open Source. Same with ChromeOS. Not so with Windows or iOS or OS X.
    - dippyskoodlez 13y ago
      You do get a lot of the standard opensource tools with OS X, though. Since Apple uses Obj-C they own the frameworks but if you follow their development models, everything is cake. It's not like Google isn't providing closed source api's too, though.
    - gress 13y ago
      Since you can't use that open source implementation to make Android devices, it's effectively just an SDK. Android itself is closed.
ChuckMcM 13y ago
Similar to bitwize, I think the desktop is, for better or worse, for the largest population of users, dead. The cohort of 'casual' or 'everyday' users interaction model/experience is mobile and/or Tablet. And in those eco-systems favor closed source Apps. There are a number of factors that make that true at the moment, from the UX of owning the whole screen, to App store policies that forbid 'simply visits a webpage' type app submissions, and everywhere in between.
camus2 13y ago
> Has it not dominated? Yes in term of lob/100 page "fairly large" form apps, No in term of native apps that actually do something. When people show me a Photoshop,Indesign,Final Cut or a 3ds Max (fully featured,not just 3 edit tools hanging around) built in HTML,that work OFFLINE,that can open gigabytes of datas, with great performances on low end hardware, i will agree ( Which my old macbook does with no problem with these native apps). Let's just take the many text editors built in HTML/JS , try to open a 10/15 mb text file(an apache log file for instance),execute a search/replace with it and see how it performs. HTML everything is a promise, an idea that can be only fulfilled if the browser engines(not just the javascript engines,the DOM is not javascript) are as fast as native os(and hardware becomes faster too). That's not the case today. So people can say javascript 'is fast' all they want,that's not the bottleneck anymore.

bitwize 13y ago

No, it has not. The future of computing is on apps coded against one of two proprietary platforms: Apple's or Google's.

mindcrime 13y ago
The future of computing is on apps coded against one of two proprietary platforms: Apple's or Google's That's an overly narrow view that seems to equate all of "computing" with "smart phones / tablets". I don't think that's a very accurate view. A lot of what happens on computers has nothing to with either.
- tluyben2 13y ago
  It's quite accurate for consumer computing though. I just don't see that Android is closed source in that way; the implementation you program against to make the software people use on their tablets/phones is Open Source. Same with ChromeOS. Not so with Windows or iOS or OS X.
  - dippyskoodlez 13y ago
    You do get a lot of the standard opensource tools with OS X, though. Since Apple uses Obj-C they own the frameworks but if you follow their development models, everything is cake. It's not like Google isn't providing closed source api's too, though.
  - gress 13y ago
    Since you can't use that open source implementation to make Android devices, it's effectively just an SDK. Android itself is closed.

ChuckMcM 13y ago

Similar to bitwize, I think the desktop is, for better or worse, for the largest population of users, dead. The cohort of 'casual' or 'everyday' users interaction model/experience is mobile and/or Tablet. And in those eco-systems favor closed source Apps. There are a number of factors that make that true at the moment, from the UX of owning the whole screen, to App store policies that forbid 'simply visits a webpage' type app submissions, and everywhere in between.

camus2 13y ago

> Has it not dominated? Yes in term of lob/100 page "fairly large" form apps, No in term of native apps that actually do something. When people show me a Photoshop,Indesign,Final Cut or a 3ds Max (fully featured,not just 3 edit tools hanging around) built in HTML,that work OFFLINE,that can open gigabytes of datas, with great performances on low end hardware, i will agree ( Which my old macbook does with no problem with these native apps). Let's just take the many text editors built in HTML/JS , try to open a 10/15 mb text file(an apache log file for instance),execute a search/replace with it and see how it performs. HTML everything is a promise, an idea that can be only fulfilled if the browser engines(not just the javascript engines,the DOM is not javascript) are as fast as native os(and hardware becomes faster too). That's not the case today. So people can say javascript 'is fast' all they want,that's not the bottleneck anymore.