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It makes me sad that a community that I'm part of and am passionate about has such negative behavior towards female members. I think it would be extremely posit

It makes me sad that a community that I'm part of and am passionate about has such negative behavior towards female members. I think it would be extremely positive for the developer community as a whole if there were more female developers, but I'm not sure how we go from the male centric community that exists today to one that accepts female members as equal peers. I'd like to think that the dev team at my startup would be welcoming and accepting of a female dev, but the truth is I have no idea, because we only ever had one female developer interview, and she had only a rudimentary understanding of HTML and JS, so we did not hire her. Does anyone out there in the startup community have a more integrated dev team? And if so how did you attract female devs and guide the team culture to make them feel welcome and accepted?

lettergram 13y ago
"It makes me sad that a community that I'm part of and am passionate about has such negative behavior towards female members" I haven't seen any actual evidence of this in the link, so where are you getting it from?
- NathanKP 13y ago
  If you are interested in investigating there has been quite a few articles I've seen over the past few years on Hacker News and Reddit by female devs highlighting their experiences with how they have been treated by the dev community. Here are a few interesting articles to get you started: https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/6efcedf483bd https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/6efcedf483bd http://www.dailydot.com/business/hacker-news-justine-sexual-assault/ http://www.dailydot.com/business/hacker-news-justine-sexual-... http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/24/business/la-fi-tech-sexism-20131024 http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/24/business/la-fi-tech-...
  - lettergram 13y ago
    We are talking about this case, not other cases. Each case is unique, you cannot assume sexism because you have seen it before.
    - NathanKP 13y ago
      First of all my original post was not focused on this case alone. I'm interested in the general pattern of the problem, of which this appears to be just one instance. I'm also interested in how it can be solved to increase the participation of females in the development community. But with regard to this specific case, since you say that you see no evidence at the original link, I would urge you to think about the fact that you evidently do not consider Julie's own words that she has been harassed to be evidence enough. Denying that there is an issue, or that the complaints of women like Julie are legitimate is part of the problem in the first place. Personally I see a consistent pattern of low participation of women in the industry, and regular instances of women complaining about sexist treatment and not being taken seriously. I therefore see no issue with taking Julie's words at face value because I see plenty of evidence that this is a legitimate problem.
      - camelite 13y ago
        >But with regard to this specific case, since you say that you see no evidence at the original link, I would urge you to think about the fact that you evidently do not consider Julie's own words that she has been harassed to be evidence enough. That's a bit rich, coming from rapist like you.
- NoahTheDuke 13y ago
  The aforementioned situation this article is about? Or is this a case of, "Well, this one obviously doesn't count. And that one doesn't count. So I've seen no actual evidence!"
ciupicri 13y ago
> I think it would be extremely positive for the developer community as a whole if there were more female developers Why having more women would be extremely positive?
- kanja 13y ago
  I think we're all in agreement that increasing the diversity of viewpoints going into a decision will lead to an overall stronger result.
  - ciupicri 13y ago
    Yes, that would be possible. Thought on the other hand, women are supposed to be like men (equal?), so where would the diversity be?
    - kybernetikos 13y ago
      In this context equal does not mean the same.

lettergram 13y ago

"It makes me sad that a community that I'm part of and am passionate about has such negative behavior towards female members" I haven't seen any actual evidence of this in the link, so where are you getting it from?

NathanKP 13y ago
If you are interested in investigating there has been quite a few articles I've seen over the past few years on Hacker News and Reddit by female devs highlighting their experiences with how they have been treated by the dev community. Here are a few interesting articles to get you started: https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/6efcedf483bd https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/6efcedf483bd http://www.dailydot.com/business/hacker-news-justine-sexual-assault/ http://www.dailydot.com/business/hacker-news-justine-sexual-... http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/24/business/la-fi-tech-sexism-20131024 http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/24/business/la-fi-tech-...
- lettergram 13y ago
  We are talking about this case, not other cases. Each case is unique, you cannot assume sexism because you have seen it before.
  - NathanKP 13y ago
    First of all my original post was not focused on this case alone. I'm interested in the general pattern of the problem, of which this appears to be just one instance. I'm also interested in how it can be solved to increase the participation of females in the development community. But with regard to this specific case, since you say that you see no evidence at the original link, I would urge you to think about the fact that you evidently do not consider Julie's own words that she has been harassed to be evidence enough. Denying that there is an issue, or that the complaints of women like Julie are legitimate is part of the problem in the first place. Personally I see a consistent pattern of low participation of women in the industry, and regular instances of women complaining about sexist treatment and not being taken seriously. I therefore see no issue with taking Julie's words at face value because I see plenty of evidence that this is a legitimate problem.
    - camelite 13y ago
      >But with regard to this specific case, since you say that you see no evidence at the original link, I would urge you to think about the fact that you evidently do not consider Julie's own words that she has been harassed to be evidence enough. That's a bit rich, coming from rapist like you.
NoahTheDuke 13y ago
The aforementioned situation this article is about? Or is this a case of, "Well, this one obviously doesn't count. And that one doesn't count. So I've seen no actual evidence!"

ciupicri 13y ago

> I think it would be extremely positive for the developer community as a whole if there were more female developers Why having more women would be extremely positive?

kanja 13y ago
I think we're all in agreement that increasing the diversity of viewpoints going into a decision will lead to an overall stronger result.
- ciupicri 13y ago
  Yes, that would be possible. Thought on the other hand, women are supposed to be like men (equal?), so where would the diversity be?
  - kybernetikos 13y ago
    In this context equal does not mean the same.