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More likely: U.S. agencies are confident enough in their other means to control the internet that they're willing to gain back a little good will by appearing t

by lukifer 13y ago

More likely: U.S. agencies are confident enough in their other means to control the internet that they're willing to gain back a little good will by appearing to give up some control over ICANN. Let's not forget that the FBI/etc reserve the right to shut down any website for any reason, whether via a letter to a service provider, or simply showing up and confiscating hardware in the name of "national security". And you can bet they're not going to stop pushing SOPA clones either.

happyscrappy 13y ago
The Great Satan strikes again.
tankenmate 13y ago
However most insiders feel that the suggested proposal for ICANN's HQ to move to Switzerland will probably come to pass in the medium term. Obviously US will still heavily influence ICANN but it's influence will definitely be diluted by this; the GAC will obviously still have a large influence via the Affirmation of Commitments (AoC).
waps 13y ago
Not at all. Much more likely is the desire of governments everywhere to ... how did the EU commission put it : "A review of conflicts between national laws or jurisdictions that will suggest possible remedies" [1] In case anyone doubts what this means : it means that they're angry their laws currently effectively do not apply to the internet (because the site owner is not within their jurisdiction) and they intend to use DNS assignments as the enforcement arm of their governments. Also, from this article : "Major corporations have complained, however, that con artists already swarm the Internet with phony Web sites designed to look like the authentic offerings of respected brands." We all know what they're complaining about and it's not "con artists. It's the fact that holding a trademark on the word "and" is southeast uzbaledongenirestan doesn't give them full veto rights over any dns name that matches ".and.", in any tld. Expect takedowns to get much, much worse very quickly. This move makes ICANN dependant on organisations that want to use DNS to make legal threats and force any internet site to operate in every jurisdiction their customers may be located in instead of just the one they're located. And remember : VPNs only help if the thing you're trying to reach is still on the internet. This is about moving enforcement from local ISPs to remote ISPs. [1] http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-142_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-142_en.htm
kiallmacinnes 13y ago
I'm not sure this works so well for websites hosted outside of the US... LOTS of websites really are hosted outside the US. They resort to confiscating the domain names in these cases, and releasing ICANN is a small step towards revoking this ability. Personally, I don't really care if the US can shutdown a US hosted (both server and domain) website - that's for Americans to get their laws fixed. I do however have a problem with the US having global control over the internet. This release of ICANN is a step in that direction.

by lukifer 13y ago

happyscrappy 13y ago

The Great Satan strikes again.

tankenmate 13y ago

However most insiders feel that the suggested proposal for ICANN's HQ to move to Switzerland will probably come to pass in the medium term. Obviously US will still heavily influence ICANN but it's influence will definitely be diluted by this; the GAC will obviously still have a large influence via the Affirmation of Commitments (AoC).

waps 13y ago

Not at all. Much more likely is the desire of governments everywhere to ... how did the EU commission put it : "A review of conflicts between national laws or jurisdictions that will suggest possible remedies" [1] In case anyone doubts what this means : it means that they're angry their laws currently effectively do not apply to the internet (because the site owner is not within their jurisdiction) and they intend to use DNS assignments as the enforcement arm of their governments. Also, from this article : "Major corporations have complained, however, that con artists already swarm the Internet with phony Web sites designed to look like the authentic offerings of respected brands." We all know what they're complaining about and it's not "con artists. It's the fact that holding a trademark on the word "and" is southeast uzbaledongenirestan doesn't give them full veto rights over any dns name that matches ".and.", in any tld. Expect takedowns to get much, much worse very quickly. This move makes ICANN dependant on organisations that want to use DNS to make legal threats and force any internet site to operate in every jurisdiction their customers may be located in instead of just the one they're located. And remember : VPNs only help if the thing you're trying to reach is still on the internet. This is about moving enforcement from local ISPs to remote ISPs. [1] http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-142_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-142_en.htm

kiallmacinnes 13y ago

I'm not sure this works so well for websites hosted outside of the US... LOTS of websites really are hosted outside the US. They resort to confiscating the domain names in these cases, and releasing ICANN is a small step towards revoking this ability. Personally, I don't really care if the US can shutdown a US hosted (both server and domain) website - that's for Americans to get their laws fixed. I do however have a problem with the US having global control over the internet. This release of ICANN is a step in that direction.