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Very saddened by the blatant corruption in our government. Where do I vote for a new government based on ethics and accountability (apart from New Zealand).

mturmon 13y ago
Government does not respond to a passive arrangement where you "vote for ethics" every so often. You have to participate more actively. This involves work.
- easymovet 13y ago
  Lets keep the discussion positive. Understand I'm not a political science major or a fancy debater, I don't claim to poses more than average intellegence, I'm just asking a question, hoping someone with more knowledge on the matter has an answer. After working to provide for the family I don't have a lot of free time to commit to politics if that's what you mean by 'participate more actively', is that the only course of action?
  - npizzolato 13y ago
    Do you contact your congressman, local government, or other representative body about how you want them to vote on any particular law? They're a phone call away.
    - easymovet 13y ago
      That's a good idea. I've written a few letters before, but never felt like I had the skill set to argue about these points on the phone, I'm also an introvert so cold calling is not something that I choose to do very often.
      - DavidAdams 13y ago
        Fortunately/unfortunately, there's no arguing on the phone involved. What happens is a junior staffer answers the phone and keeps a tally of which constituents come in on either side of an issue. Of course, if you're willing to make an extra effort, you can make an appointment to visit the congressperson's office, though unless you're a donor, you're unlikely to have much success meeting with the congressperson in person, but your voice would probably be heard louder nonetheless.
  - saraid216 13y ago
    > After working to provide for the family I don't have a lot of free time to commit to politics if that's what you mean by 'participate more actively' FYI, this is effectively deliberate. You're more useful to companies as a business asset rather than as a political force. It may be worthwhile for you to look into ways to pool resources with other people in order to get enough free time to commit more to politics.
  - mturmon 13y ago
    Politicians (left and right) are pushed by strong forces. You can't just vote for someone who you believe is ethical and walk away, expecting that the power of that vote is sufficient to oppose those forces. In other words, you were asking about a way to vote to fix this, and it's not fixable by a vote.
jliptzin 13y ago
The HN community should band together and buy an island and create our own government there.
- skore 13y ago
  No, no they should not. You really don't want to be involved with those kinda guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading It's the sort of hyper-liberterianism that looks and sounds like a passable option until you consider it for more than a second. And then there are the proponents for this kind of insanity...
- DavidAdams 13y ago
  What should actually happen is that the US-based tech crowd should put together a political action committee and start lobbying. That would have a better chance of real-world impact.
saraid216 13y ago
Voting is an administrative task, not an advocacy action. If you want to change how things work, start advocating. Voting is the end of a campaign, not the beginning.

mturmon 13y ago

Government does not respond to a passive arrangement where you "vote for ethics" every so often. You have to participate more actively. This involves work.

easymovet 13y ago
Lets keep the discussion positive. Understand I'm not a political science major or a fancy debater, I don't claim to poses more than average intellegence, I'm just asking a question, hoping someone with more knowledge on the matter has an answer. After working to provide for the family I don't have a lot of free time to commit to politics if that's what you mean by 'participate more actively', is that the only course of action?
- npizzolato 13y ago
  Do you contact your congressman, local government, or other representative body about how you want them to vote on any particular law? They're a phone call away.
  - easymovet 13y ago
    That's a good idea. I've written a few letters before, but never felt like I had the skill set to argue about these points on the phone, I'm also an introvert so cold calling is not something that I choose to do very often.
    - DavidAdams 13y ago
      Fortunately/unfortunately, there's no arguing on the phone involved. What happens is a junior staffer answers the phone and keeps a tally of which constituents come in on either side of an issue. Of course, if you're willing to make an extra effort, you can make an appointment to visit the congressperson's office, though unless you're a donor, you're unlikely to have much success meeting with the congressperson in person, but your voice would probably be heard louder nonetheless.
- saraid216 13y ago
  > After working to provide for the family I don't have a lot of free time to commit to politics if that's what you mean by 'participate more actively' FYI, this is effectively deliberate. You're more useful to companies as a business asset rather than as a political force. It may be worthwhile for you to look into ways to pool resources with other people in order to get enough free time to commit more to politics.
- mturmon 13y ago
  Politicians (left and right) are pushed by strong forces. You can't just vote for someone who you believe is ethical and walk away, expecting that the power of that vote is sufficient to oppose those forces. In other words, you were asking about a way to vote to fix this, and it's not fixable by a vote.

jliptzin 13y ago

The HN community should band together and buy an island and create our own government there.

skore 13y ago
No, no they should not. You really don't want to be involved with those kinda guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading It's the sort of hyper-liberterianism that looks and sounds like a passable option until you consider it for more than a second. And then there are the proponents for this kind of insanity...
DavidAdams 13y ago
What should actually happen is that the US-based tech crowd should put together a political action committee and start lobbying. That would have a better chance of real-world impact.

saraid216 13y ago

Voting is an administrative task, not an advocacy action. If you want to change how things work, start advocating. Voting is the end of a campaign, not the beginning.