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It absolutely can be an attack on a much larger movement because those statistics are cited over and over and over again in said movement. Similarly, the Duluth

by johnbm 13y ago

It absolutely can be an attack on a much larger movement because those statistics are cited over and over and over again in said movement. Similarly, the Duluth model has directly shaped domestic violence policy and support despite being contradicted by any study that asked the same questions of women and men. When said movement further has an absolute monopoly on the gender discussion and has been known to politically pressure the media to suppress dissent (see: Warren Farrell), I'm pretty happy in just stating the actual facts and letting someone else do the googling for a change.

jarrett 13y ago
> It absolutely can be an attack on a much larger movement because those statistics are cited over and over and over again in said movement. That's still not a logically valid reason to indict a movement. You can reject specific claims a movement makes, if those claims are based on premises you believe to be false. Yet surely you realize that feminism, like most major movements, is concerned with a myriad of issues, most of which are not closely related to the rate of sexual assault. Even if you can prove that feminists cite incorrect statistics in discussions about rape, that says nothing about, for example, workplace gender discrimination. > When said movement further has an absolute monopoly on the gender discussion An absolute monopoly? You've disproven that simply by commenting. Do you feel feminists are violating your right to free speech? If so, what are they doing to silence you? > see: Warren Farrell He has published books, run for office, given speeches, and published online. What evidence do you have that his speech has been suppressed? (I Googled for an answer to that very question, but found nothing.) > just stating the actual facts and letting someone else do the googling for a change Those are your opinions, not factual claims. For example, your comment about "promoting the moral panic of 'rape culture' at colleges" is not a factual claim, because there are no objective criteria by which it could be proven true or false. Rather, it is an opinion about how concerned the public should be about rape at colleges. You're taking a fact--that feminists advocate about rape at colleges--and offering the opinion that their concerns are overblown.

by johnbm 13y ago

jarrett 13y ago

> It absolutely can be an attack on a much larger movement because those statistics are cited over and over and over again in said movement. That's still not a logically valid reason to indict a movement. You can reject specific claims a movement makes, if those claims are based on premises you believe to be false. Yet surely you realize that feminism, like most major movements, is concerned with a myriad of issues, most of which are not closely related to the rate of sexual assault. Even if you can prove that feminists cite incorrect statistics in discussions about rape, that says nothing about, for example, workplace gender discrimination. > When said movement further has an absolute monopoly on the gender discussion An absolute monopoly? You've disproven that simply by commenting. Do you feel feminists are violating your right to free speech? If so, what are they doing to silence you? > see: Warren Farrell He has published books, run for office, given speeches, and published online. What evidence do you have that his speech has been suppressed? (I Googled for an answer to that very question, but found nothing.) > just stating the actual facts and letting someone else do the googling for a change Those are your opinions, not factual claims. For example, your comment about "promoting the moral panic of 'rape culture' at colleges" is not a factual claim, because there are no objective criteria by which it could be proven true or false. Rather, it is an opinion about how concerned the public should be about rape at colleges. You're taking a fact--that feminists advocate about rape at colleges--and offering the opinion that their concerns are overblown.