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I'm sorry, coming from Zuck, this statement means very little to me. I guess I'm old school, but Zuck has shown disdain for the privacy of users in the past, F

I'm sorry, coming from Zuck, this statement means very little to me. I guess I'm old school, but Zuck has shown disdain for the privacy of users in the past, FB actively tracks the movement of users across the net (likely without many realizing), and I'm under the impression that this culture that emphasizes sharing every fucking thing is more dangerous to people than the US government trying to get at data that they probably already have. Don't get me wrong, I don't like that the US government is doing this, but I don't trust FB at all. Nothing to see here folks. Just the old tug of war between governments and corporations for power, while the actual citizens get trampled.

Zikes 13y ago
I suppose doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is something, at least.
nostromo 13y ago
I'm more afraid of government than private industry. Facebook will never have a Gitmo. It'll never send someone to a torture camp in Egypt. It'll never invade a country. It'll never confiscate property. It'll never put someone on the no-fly list. It'll never harass you at the border. Yes, we should be openly critical of powerful corporations. But the downsides of misguided governance are much worse than even the most powerful corporations can muster. So, I don't believe it's fair to compare what Facebook does to warrantless government spying. And I'm glad Zuck is publicly taking on this issue.
- chongli 13y ago
  Facebook will never have a Gitmo. It'll never send someone to a torture camp in Egypt. It'll never invade a country. It'll never confiscate property. It'll never put someone on the no-fly list. It'll never harass you at the border. It may not do those things directly but who's to say it won't tip the government off about you? Tell them where you live and flag you for a disgruntled post or an idle threat. There's a lot Facebook could do to help the government crack down on dissidents.
- cottonseed 13y ago
  It will never lobby for laws that impose severe penalties for non-violent crimes. It will never sue and bankrupt individuals and small businesses to grow, protect and solidify its market position. It will lobby for laws that literally steal trillions of dollars of value from the public domain. It won't influence international policy. It won't fight against legal reform in a country that rivals the most horrific, repressive regimes for incarceration. If the government is misguided, it's because powerful corporations are leading it by the nose. God, I sound paranoid conspiracy theorist.
  - lukifer 13y ago
    Conspiracy #0: Associate the very notion of conspiracy with insanity. "Two men of the same trade seldom meet but for the purpose of deceiving the public." - Adam Smith (Maybe we should start calling them "collusion theories".)
    - cottonseed 13y ago
      Hadn't heard that quote before. From https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adam_Smith https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adam_Smith: "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty or justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary."
yuhong 13y ago
This is why I asked about what happened to Mark Zuckerberg since the early days of Facebook regarding privacy in a Reddit AMA.

Zikes 13y ago

I suppose doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is something, at least.

nostromo 13y ago

I'm more afraid of government than private industry. Facebook will never have a Gitmo. It'll never send someone to a torture camp in Egypt. It'll never invade a country. It'll never confiscate property. It'll never put someone on the no-fly list. It'll never harass you at the border. Yes, we should be openly critical of powerful corporations. But the downsides of misguided governance are much worse than even the most powerful corporations can muster. So, I don't believe it's fair to compare what Facebook does to warrantless government spying. And I'm glad Zuck is publicly taking on this issue.

chongli 13y ago
Facebook will never have a Gitmo. It'll never send someone to a torture camp in Egypt. It'll never invade a country. It'll never confiscate property. It'll never put someone on the no-fly list. It'll never harass you at the border. It may not do those things directly but who's to say it won't tip the government off about you? Tell them where you live and flag you for a disgruntled post or an idle threat. There's a lot Facebook could do to help the government crack down on dissidents.
cottonseed 13y ago
It will never lobby for laws that impose severe penalties for non-violent crimes. It will never sue and bankrupt individuals and small businesses to grow, protect and solidify its market position. It will lobby for laws that literally steal trillions of dollars of value from the public domain. It won't influence international policy. It won't fight against legal reform in a country that rivals the most horrific, repressive regimes for incarceration. If the government is misguided, it's because powerful corporations are leading it by the nose. God, I sound paranoid conspiracy theorist.
- lukifer 13y ago
  Conspiracy #0: Associate the very notion of conspiracy with insanity. "Two men of the same trade seldom meet but for the purpose of deceiving the public." - Adam Smith (Maybe we should start calling them "collusion theories".)
  - cottonseed 13y ago
    Hadn't heard that quote before. From https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adam_Smith https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adam_Smith: "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty or justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary."

yuhong 13y ago

This is why I asked about what happened to Mark Zuckerberg since the early days of Facebook regarding privacy in a Reddit AMA.