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It's clear that sobriety checkpoints aren't killing people left and right (that's preposterous). But it's not clear (edit: to me) if they actually save any live

It's clear that sobriety checkpoints aren't killing people left and right (that's preposterous). But it's not clear (edit: to me) if they actually save any lives for the effort.

tercer_ojo 13y ago
yes, it's clear that they do save lives. maybe you should say "i'm not certain" instead of "it's not clear". and also maybe grow up some common sense.
- Crito 13y ago
  What makes you say that it is clear? Could you link the study that you have in mind?
  - doktrin 13y ago
    > Could you link the study that you have in mind? Why do you feel a study is needed in order to form an opinion on this? What logical arguments would you make against sobriety checkpoints? In any case, turns out that at least one study has been performed. This was just the first google search hit. There's probably more out there. [1] http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/checkpoint.html http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/check... [2] http://www.wrap.org/pdfs/2010TIPElderCDCPaper.pdf http://www.wrap.org/pdfs/2010TIPElderCDCPaper.pdf
    - jcromartie 13y ago
      At least in CA, an increased checkpoint effort saw a stall followed by an increase in drunk driving fatalities. But this data obviously doesn't account for a lot of variables. http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/01/06/41411/california-drunk-driving-fatalities-inch-up-after/ http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/01/06/41411/california-drunk-d...
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- jcromartie 13y ago
  Maybe I should have. BTW my "common sense" says that sobriety checkpoints DO reduce drunk driving and fatal accidents. I'm not any kind of DUI checkpoint denier.
zingui 13y ago
Here in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil), they saves lives. People are afraid to go out to drink driving and lost the car (with stay with the police) and the driver's license (1-year without the license and have to go through all the classes to get the license again) plus a fine of R$1,915.65(around US$980). It works here, a lot of people are preferring a cab over the car to go out to places they know they will drink.
- jcromartie 13y ago
  That's encouraging. They are not nearly so strict in the US.

It's clear that sobriety checkpoints aren't killing people left and right (that's preposterous). But it's not clear (edit: to me) if they actually save any lives for the effort.

tercer_ojo 13y ago

yes, it's clear that they do save lives. maybe you should say "i'm not certain" instead of "it's not clear". and also maybe grow up some common sense.

Crito 13y ago
What makes you say that it is clear? Could you link the study that you have in mind?
- doktrin 13y ago
  > Could you link the study that you have in mind? Why do you feel a study is needed in order to form an opinion on this? What logical arguments would you make against sobriety checkpoints? In any case, turns out that at least one study has been performed. This was just the first google search hit. There's probably more out there. [1] http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/checkpoint.html http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/check... [2] http://www.wrap.org/pdfs/2010TIPElderCDCPaper.pdf http://www.wrap.org/pdfs/2010TIPElderCDCPaper.pdf
  - jcromartie 13y ago
    At least in CA, an increased checkpoint effort saw a stall followed by an increase in drunk driving fatalities. But this data obviously doesn't account for a lot of variables. http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/01/06/41411/california-drunk-driving-fatalities-inch-up-after/ http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/01/06/41411/california-drunk-d...
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jcromartie 13y ago
Maybe I should have. BTW my "common sense" says that sobriety checkpoints DO reduce drunk driving and fatal accidents. I'm not any kind of DUI checkpoint denier.

zingui 13y ago

Here in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil), they saves lives. People are afraid to go out to drink driving and lost the car (with stay with the police) and the driver's license (1-year without the license and have to go through all the classes to get the license again) plus a fine of R$1,915.65(around US$980). It works here, a lot of people are preferring a cab over the car to go out to places they know they will drink.

jcromartie 13y ago
That's encouraging. They are not nearly so strict in the US.