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> Sometimes it seems like Houston doesn't so much have an economy as a local oil-money leak. This stereotypical perception of Houston is false, as it does have

by jbronn 17y ago

> Sometimes it seems like Houston doesn't so much have an economy as a local oil-money leak. This stereotypical perception of Houston is false, as it does have a diversified economy. For example, it is home of the Texas Medical Center -- the largest medical center in the world. In addition, is also as industrial center for aerospace, as NASA's Johnson Space Center is also located in Houston.

bilbo0s 17y ago
Uhh . . . Dude, I don't know if you are from Houston or what, but @stcredzero is right. I live in the Museum District right outside the Medical Center by Sunset. Yes, I am one of the rich b@$tards behind the gates driving up all of the housing prices inside the 610. I can tell you categorically that the medical center is built on "oil money philanthropy" and bonds. Both of which have taken a hit recently triggering literally thousands of layoffs in the Medical Center. Not to mention a few canceled hospitals . . . yeah I'm looking at you Baylor. US$300 million PISSED away. They're not the only ones though. The Med Center was supposed to attract higher quality residents to Houston, which it did. The problem is that, because of plentiful finance via the philanthropy of leaders in the energy industry, it was funded without respect to economics or the market. My how times have changed. You are right about one thing though, there are a lot of little pigs at the government funded trough that is the Johnson Space Center. I normally don't like how much waste they have going on over there on my tax dollars, I mean really, would it be so terrible to share a secretary or administrative assistant? But in times like these I suppose it at least keeps people employed. In summary, yeah, Houston doesn't have an economy, it has a local oil money leak along with a lot of pigs sucking on the government teat. That will need to change if Houston is to survive economically into the future. The good news is that many local leaders know that oil is the past, not the future, and they are trying to make changes. The bad news is that changing a place like Houston is difficult. There are a lot of people here who don't see the duplicity in demanding cut throat capitalism, but working at the Med Center or the Johnson Space Center. I have always been reminded of the famous farmer in American literature who is subsidized by the Government to NOT grow corn. Consequently, he would hop out of bed at the crack of noon to ensure that his corn would NOT be grown. Additionally, people would come from miles around to seek his financial advice, as he was a man with an extremely healthy income and was therefore wise. This is a fitting description of Houston.
- bilbo0s 17y ago
  Many apparently wondering where the lit reference was from. It is the farmer in a book called Catch-22 by Joseph Heller. You've probably already read this book, if not, yeah, check it out!
- randrews 17y ago
  I worked my way through college at Johnson Space Center. Most people there are paid significantly less than if they were working in the private sector. Most people there have no secretaries or admin assistants, the really important people have an admin assistant that they share with 3-5 other important people. And I've worked in Houston most of my life and never had anything to do with the oil industry, even peripherally. It's a big city; your experience there isn't general.
  - bilbo0s 17y ago
    There are several thousand people in Detroit whose livelihood is dependent on a company called Caraco Pharmaceuticals. Wonderful company, generic drugs is their business. This fact doesn't change the reality of Detroit's economy. It is still dependent on the car industry. Just as Houston's is still dependent on the energy sector and government spending. Despite the fact that you may never have had a job that "...had anything to do with the oil industry, even peripherally". Government spending is what put you and a lot of other people through college. As long as this is the case, the future of Houston's economy is precarious. A lot of people want to move away from oil, and everyone wants the government to stop spending so much money. Houston has to make plans for what's next. Or we are in for some hard times. You too. Your friends won't be able to work their way through college at the JSC, for instance. Or consider that the value of your house will go down. The quality of your schools will suffer, public and private. etc . . . etc . . . Perhaps my point is better illustrated by having you do a thought experiment. Consider what it is like to live in Detroit, and work for Caraco.
- Femur 17y ago
  I live right down the street from you (Alabama and Greenbriar) but I wonder if we live in the same city. I moved here from the decaying corpse of St. Louis to take a job with Continental Airlines (HQ'd right here in Houston by the way). The busses and freeways are packed with people going to work. The bars on Westheimer are overflowing on the weekends. The Galleria is full of shoppers. Go to St. Louis or Rochester, NY and then come back to Houston. People here are happy I am one of them. No place is perfect but Houston does better than most.
stcredzero 17y ago
This stereotypical perception of Houston is false, as it does have a diversified economy. I've lived in Houston longer than I've lived in any one city since I was 13 years old. There is a diversified economy. But a lot of that is here because oil is here.

by jbronn 17y ago

bilbo0s 17y ago

Uhh . . . Dude, I don't know if you are from Houston or what, but @stcredzero is right. I live in the Museum District right outside the Medical Center by Sunset. Yes, I am one of the rich b@$tards behind the gates driving up all of the housing prices inside the 610. I can tell you categorically that the medical center is built on "oil money philanthropy" and bonds. Both of which have taken a hit recently triggering literally thousands of layoffs in the Medical Center. Not to mention a few canceled hospitals . . . yeah I'm looking at you Baylor. US$300 million PISSED away. They're not the only ones though. The Med Center was supposed to attract higher quality residents to Houston, which it did. The problem is that, because of plentiful finance via the philanthropy of leaders in the energy industry, it was funded without respect to economics or the market. My how times have changed. You are right about one thing though, there are a lot of little pigs at the government funded trough that is the Johnson Space Center. I normally don't like how much waste they have going on over there on my tax dollars, I mean really, would it be so terrible to share a secretary or administrative assistant? But in times like these I suppose it at least keeps people employed. In summary, yeah, Houston doesn't have an economy, it has a local oil money leak along with a lot of pigs sucking on the government teat. That will need to change if Houston is to survive economically into the future. The good news is that many local leaders know that oil is the past, not the future, and they are trying to make changes. The bad news is that changing a place like Houston is difficult. There are a lot of people here who don't see the duplicity in demanding cut throat capitalism, but working at the Med Center or the Johnson Space Center. I have always been reminded of the famous farmer in American literature who is subsidized by the Government to NOT grow corn. Consequently, he would hop out of bed at the crack of noon to ensure that his corn would NOT be grown. Additionally, people would come from miles around to seek his financial advice, as he was a man with an extremely healthy income and was therefore wise. This is a fitting description of Houston.

bilbo0s 17y ago
Many apparently wondering where the lit reference was from. It is the farmer in a book called Catch-22 by Joseph Heller. You've probably already read this book, if not, yeah, check it out!
randrews 17y ago
I worked my way through college at Johnson Space Center. Most people there are paid significantly less than if they were working in the private sector. Most people there have no secretaries or admin assistants, the really important people have an admin assistant that they share with 3-5 other important people. And I've worked in Houston most of my life and never had anything to do with the oil industry, even peripherally. It's a big city; your experience there isn't general.
- bilbo0s 17y ago
  There are several thousand people in Detroit whose livelihood is dependent on a company called Caraco Pharmaceuticals. Wonderful company, generic drugs is their business. This fact doesn't change the reality of Detroit's economy. It is still dependent on the car industry. Just as Houston's is still dependent on the energy sector and government spending. Despite the fact that you may never have had a job that "...had anything to do with the oil industry, even peripherally". Government spending is what put you and a lot of other people through college. As long as this is the case, the future of Houston's economy is precarious. A lot of people want to move away from oil, and everyone wants the government to stop spending so much money. Houston has to make plans for what's next. Or we are in for some hard times. You too. Your friends won't be able to work their way through college at the JSC, for instance. Or consider that the value of your house will go down. The quality of your schools will suffer, public and private. etc . . . etc . . . Perhaps my point is better illustrated by having you do a thought experiment. Consider what it is like to live in Detroit, and work for Caraco.
Femur 17y ago
I live right down the street from you (Alabama and Greenbriar) but I wonder if we live in the same city. I moved here from the decaying corpse of St. Louis to take a job with Continental Airlines (HQ'd right here in Houston by the way). The busses and freeways are packed with people going to work. The bars on Westheimer are overflowing on the weekends. The Galleria is full of shoppers. Go to St. Louis or Rochester, NY and then come back to Houston. People here are happy I am one of them. No place is perfect but Houston does better than most.

stcredzero 17y ago

This stereotypical perception of Houston is false, as it does have a diversified economy. I've lived in Houston longer than I've lived in any one city since I was 13 years old. There is a diversified economy. But a lot of that is here because oil is here.