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I can't believe you just blamed the monstrous crimes of a foreign horde on the _right wing_. How much brainwashing did that take? Christ.

jacquesm 17y ago
Hm, that is not what I wrote at all. Maybe I can explain it a bit better. These crimes are not by a 'foreign horde' but by children of immigrants with the French nationality. That makes them French, and possibly a French horde but French nonetheless. The fact that the majority of them are children of foreigners (or can trace their lineage to an immigrant within a few generations) is incidental, there are plenty of children of French citizens that take part in these riots that are not of African descent. The 'right wing' uses the high incidence of African descent kids in these riots to justify their tough stance on immigration, deportation and so on and they use it to stoke the fires of xenophobia and use it as a platform to blame those kids. All they are doing is to use them as a cynical pathway to power. Whereas principally it is a problem of French society (and other european countries as well) as a whole that these people - and plenty of them are lily white - think of themselves as totally without any chance to succeed in their society. That is why their anger is directed against property and not against people. The European right wing parties leave out those not-so-convenient facts because it would work against their interests, which are predominantly based on being anti-islam and anti-foreigner. Burning a car is a crime, sure. Is it monstrous ? I don't think so, I think it is as much a crime as creating a society that has an underclass this large. When you push people into a corner you'll get a reaction. Best to create a society where as few people as possible harbour those feelings.
- jongraehl 17y ago
  The willful destruction of my car would seem pretty monstrous to me. I would also probably blame the people who did it, before I blamed society.

jacquesm 17y ago

Hm, that is not what I wrote at all. Maybe I can explain it a bit better. These crimes are not by a 'foreign horde' but by children of immigrants with the French nationality. That makes them French, and possibly a French horde but French nonetheless. The fact that the majority of them are children of foreigners (or can trace their lineage to an immigrant within a few generations) is incidental, there are plenty of children of French citizens that take part in these riots that are not of African descent. The 'right wing' uses the high incidence of African descent kids in these riots to justify their tough stance on immigration, deportation and so on and they use it to stoke the fires of xenophobia and use it as a platform to blame those kids. All they are doing is to use them as a cynical pathway to power. Whereas principally it is a problem of French society (and other european countries as well) as a whole that these people - and plenty of them are lily white - think of themselves as totally without any chance to succeed in their society. That is why their anger is directed against property and not against people. The European right wing parties leave out those not-so-convenient facts because it would work against their interests, which are predominantly based on being anti-islam and anti-foreigner. Burning a car is a crime, sure. Is it monstrous ? I don't think so, I think it is as much a crime as creating a society that has an underclass this large. When you push people into a corner you'll get a reaction. Best to create a society where as few people as possible harbour those feelings.

jongraehl 17y ago
The willful destruction of my car would seem pretty monstrous to me. I would also probably blame the people who did it, before I blamed society.