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Privacy issue is not about what you want, it's about what can be done (and often is without you knowing). Automated facial recognition is a serious privacy con

by ta_fbp 13y ago

Privacy issue is not about what you want, it's about what can be done (and often is without you knowing). Automated facial recognition is a serious privacy concern, it's not just about the slimy despicable thing facebook is. For example, in the uk where there are more cctv video feed than people to watch them, an automated facial recognition can track you around constantly. Their current automatic number plate recognition is already a serious privacy concern. Remember 7th cube's voyeur's dream[1] released in 2005? the same but with more camera now being able to identify you based on your facial features. [1]: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=16410 http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=16410

adyus 13y ago
This can already be done by someone who truly wants to keep an eye on you, only it takes more manpower (well, detective power). This is simply the same trend as ATMs replacing (some) bank tellers many years ago. Will it be easier to perform and abuse mass surveillance? Sure. Will people with something important to hide still wear disguises? I'd bet yes. My stance is that we can't fight progress, but we can start fighting the people bent on abusing the powers that progress bring. Identifying them is another issue (perhaps some form of facial recognition? :)
- Houshalter 13y ago
  >Will people with something important to hide still wear disguises? I'd bet yes. Facial recognition systems can be (and are) trained to not be fooled by things like facial hair, hair changing, eyeglasses and sunglasses, hats, etc. Although it can obscure your features for sure. If someone does something really odd to try to avoid the facial recognition (I've people posting things like making your hair non-symmetrical, or just avoiding the camera in the first place) then they just train on those things too. And that person gets flagged as being really suspicious. And things like full face masks are banned in some places already.
  - adyus 13y ago
    And slowly, suspicious behavior is suppressed. This will have two effects. People who are truly suspicious for nefarious reasons will gradually stop being so. On the other hand, many will be incorrectly flagged as suspicious and harassed without reason. The trick is to strike a fair balance between the two. But who decides what's fair?
bayesianhorse 13y ago
Wouldn't it actually be better to stop a government from doing that? If you can't, there's something wrong that no restrictions/bans on technological progresss will fix... Usually it's easier to get the government in line than to prevent some technology to be developed...
- chroem 13y ago
  So how is that NSA reform coming along? Good I hope?

by ta_fbp 13y ago

adyus 13y ago

This can already be done by someone who truly wants to keep an eye on you, only it takes more manpower (well, detective power). This is simply the same trend as ATMs replacing (some) bank tellers many years ago. Will it be easier to perform and abuse mass surveillance? Sure. Will people with something important to hide still wear disguises? I'd bet yes. My stance is that we can't fight progress, but we can start fighting the people bent on abusing the powers that progress bring. Identifying them is another issue (perhaps some form of facial recognition? :)

Houshalter 13y ago
>Will people with something important to hide still wear disguises? I'd bet yes. Facial recognition systems can be (and are) trained to not be fooled by things like facial hair, hair changing, eyeglasses and sunglasses, hats, etc. Although it can obscure your features for sure. If someone does something really odd to try to avoid the facial recognition (I've people posting things like making your hair non-symmetrical, or just avoiding the camera in the first place) then they just train on those things too. And that person gets flagged as being really suspicious. And things like full face masks are banned in some places already.
- adyus 13y ago
  And slowly, suspicious behavior is suppressed. This will have two effects. People who are truly suspicious for nefarious reasons will gradually stop being so. On the other hand, many will be incorrectly flagged as suspicious and harassed without reason. The trick is to strike a fair balance between the two. But who decides what's fair?

bayesianhorse 13y ago

Wouldn't it actually be better to stop a government from doing that? If you can't, there's something wrong that no restrictions/bans on technological progresss will fix... Usually it's easier to get the government in line than to prevent some technology to be developed...

chroem 13y ago
So how is that NSA reform coming along? Good I hope?