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Firstly, your "founding fathers" - ha now there's a joke. Do you think anyone respects those amendments? Nope. If they thought that, you wouldn't be stocked up

by bananas 13y ago

Firstly, your "founding fathers" - ha now there's a joke. Do you think anyone respects those amendments? Nope. If they thought that, you wouldn't be stocked up with weapons. And we all know how effective that technology is at ending all those pesky terrorists with their zip guns and IEDs...

sillysaurus3 13y ago
And we all know how effective that technology is at ending all those pesky terrorists with their zip guns and IEDs... Those people have been indoctrinated since birth to see us as evil invaders. Some of their religions have baked in the idea that it's good to die in order to kill invaders. And we've sometimes acted like an evil invader. (See Blackwater atrocities, etc.) It's an invalid comparison because our population isn't motivated in the same way. It's easy to become disheartened with the current state of affairs, but history has shown that ignoring reality doesn't work. Setting aside the question of ethics, the reality is that an armed revolution in America probably can't happen. And besides, there are plenty of other options to explore.
- fit2rule 13y ago
  There isn't a time since WW2 when America wasn't viewed as an evil invader. It really depends on whether you've got the business end of a weapon pointed at you or not.
- ds9 13y ago
  "Those people have been indoctrinated since birth to see us as evil invaders ... our population isn't motivated in the same way" It doesn't take religion or "indoctrination since birth" for people to see an invading army as evil - it just takes an invasion. If your country were occupied by foreign armies, you might want to fight back too - or at least you shouldn't be surprised if others do.
- Zigurd 13y ago
  Calling the people who have a beef against us for occupying their country "those people" and thinking they are in any deep way different from us is a big red flag for lack of understanding. That kind of thinking goes a long way toward explaining how we could blow a couple trillion dollars fighting people who haven't got a single aircraft, artillery piece, or armored vehicle.
- a3n 13y ago
  " And we've sometimes acted like an evil invader. (See Blackwater atrocities, etc.)" Blackwater!? That we were there at all was an invasion based on a lie and a tragedy of convenience. 9/11, strong connection to Afghanistan and a Saudi/Yemen family ... let's invade Iraq! I think we're still searching for the real weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#2003_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair
diydsp 13y ago
Don't be defeatist. A key problem I see, that I used to have, and learned from my mistake, is that the checks and balances system works. Yes, you see the executive branch overstepping its bounds. Lots of people getting picked up. However, the judicial branch is finding the charges untenable. It's not easy nor automatic, and costs a lot of time and research and arguing, but those amendments are still pretty damn strong. Arguments directly to them are handled in the Supreme Court all the time. There are some dings against the 4th as of late, but don't give up and invest the time and research and arguments. Put your focus on the judicial branch and increase their power to put down bad behavior by the executive branch.
- killerpopiller 13y ago
  ..you mean realist? also, Brennan was sworn in on the consitutions without the bill of rights http://www.theguardian.com/world/us-news-blog/2013/mar/08/john-brennan-constitution-bill-of-rights http://www.theguardian.com/world/us-news-blog/2013/mar/08/jo...

by bananas 13y ago

sillysaurus3 13y ago

And we all know how effective that technology is at ending all those pesky terrorists with their zip guns and IEDs... Those people have been indoctrinated since birth to see us as evil invaders. Some of their religions have baked in the idea that it's good to die in order to kill invaders. And we've sometimes acted like an evil invader. (See Blackwater atrocities, etc.) It's an invalid comparison because our population isn't motivated in the same way. It's easy to become disheartened with the current state of affairs, but history has shown that ignoring reality doesn't work. Setting aside the question of ethics, the reality is that an armed revolution in America probably can't happen. And besides, there are plenty of other options to explore.

fit2rule 13y ago
There isn't a time since WW2 when America wasn't viewed as an evil invader. It really depends on whether you've got the business end of a weapon pointed at you or not.
ds9 13y ago
"Those people have been indoctrinated since birth to see us as evil invaders ... our population isn't motivated in the same way" It doesn't take religion or "indoctrination since birth" for people to see an invading army as evil - it just takes an invasion. If your country were occupied by foreign armies, you might want to fight back too - or at least you shouldn't be surprised if others do.
Zigurd 13y ago
Calling the people who have a beef against us for occupying their country "those people" and thinking they are in any deep way different from us is a big red flag for lack of understanding. That kind of thinking goes a long way toward explaining how we could blow a couple trillion dollars fighting people who haven't got a single aircraft, artillery piece, or armored vehicle.
a3n 13y ago
" And we've sometimes acted like an evil invader. (See Blackwater atrocities, etc.)" Blackwater!? That we were there at all was an invasion based on a lie and a tragedy of convenience. 9/11, strong connection to Afghanistan and a Saudi/Yemen family ... let's invade Iraq! I think we're still searching for the real weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#2003_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair

diydsp 13y ago

Don't be defeatist. A key problem I see, that I used to have, and learned from my mistake, is that the checks and balances system works. Yes, you see the executive branch overstepping its bounds. Lots of people getting picked up. However, the judicial branch is finding the charges untenable. It's not easy nor automatic, and costs a lot of time and research and arguing, but those amendments are still pretty damn strong. Arguments directly to them are handled in the Supreme Court all the time. There are some dings against the 4th as of late, but don't give up and invest the time and research and arguments. Put your focus on the judicial branch and increase their power to put down bad behavior by the executive branch.

killerpopiller 13y ago
..you mean realist? also, Brennan was sworn in on the consitutions without the bill of rights http://www.theguardian.com/world/us-news-blog/2013/mar/08/john-brennan-constitution-bill-of-rights http://www.theguardian.com/world/us-news-blog/2013/mar/08/jo...