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looking at torrent peers ... and is far better proof of piracy It's not proof of piracy. It just proves that some bytes were downloaded. What, for example, if

looking at torrent peers ... and is far better proof of piracy It's not proof of piracy. It just proves that some bytes were downloaded. What, for example, if you could prove that you paid for the movie you're downloading? Lets say you buy a movie using the Video app on the Xbox, but want to watch it on your old Windows XP desktop, or on your Android phone?

pwg 13y ago
Sadly given the silly state of copyright in the digital age, you'd still be guilty of copyright infringement by doing that. Which is why copyright needs to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern age.
- annnnd 13y ago
  Depends on the country. In USA you are probably right.
  - bduerst 13y ago
    Which countries considers consumption as copyright infringement, but not sharing the content?
pdabbadabba 13y ago
It's the uploading, not downloading that's proof of piracy.
ultramancool 13y ago
I simply meant to compare with Google Analytics hits, not to say anything is absolute proof, but being on a tracker or DHT is certainly a better indication than GA would be. Though if you personally join the peer queue and serve over 30s of a movie to them, you've just proved that someone using that IP is pirating that movie. Even if you own the movie elsewhere, if I recall correctly many jurisdictions do not protect the personal transfer you're talking about. The laws are quite stupid here, but that's just how it is.
mikeryan 13y ago
if you could prove that you paid for the movie you're downloading? Lets say you buy a movie using the Video app on the Xbox, but want to watch it on your old Windows XP desktop, or on your Android phone? I'd be very surprised to learn there's a legal way for you to do this considering the movie you download on your Xbox is going to be PlayReady DRM encumbered.
- ultramancool 13y ago
  If we live in a world where a debugger is illegal, I don't want to be legal.
rikkus 13y ago
If you're streaming from a torrent: 1. You're downloading. This may or may not be copyright infringement, even if you do already have other licence[s] for the media. Check the licences and the law, if you can understand either. 2. If you're seeding, you're allowing others to download from you. If you're not licensed to do this by the copyright holder [if any], you might be infringing in certain jurisdictions.

pwg 13y ago

Sadly given the silly state of copyright in the digital age, you'd still be guilty of copyright infringement by doing that. Which is why copyright needs to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern age.

annnnd 13y ago
Depends on the country. In USA you are probably right.
- bduerst 13y ago
  Which countries considers consumption as copyright infringement, but not sharing the content?

pdabbadabba 13y ago

It's the uploading, not downloading that's proof of piracy.

ultramancool 13y ago

I simply meant to compare with Google Analytics hits, not to say anything is absolute proof, but being on a tracker or DHT is certainly a better indication than GA would be. Though if you personally join the peer queue and serve over 30s of a movie to them, you've just proved that someone using that IP is pirating that movie. Even if you own the movie elsewhere, if I recall correctly many jurisdictions do not protect the personal transfer you're talking about. The laws are quite stupid here, but that's just how it is.

mikeryan 13y ago

if you could prove that you paid for the movie you're downloading? Lets say you buy a movie using the Video app on the Xbox, but want to watch it on your old Windows XP desktop, or on your Android phone? I'd be very surprised to learn there's a legal way for you to do this considering the movie you download on your Xbox is going to be PlayReady DRM encumbered.

ultramancool 13y ago
If we live in a world where a debugger is illegal, I don't want to be legal.

rikkus 13y ago

If you're streaming from a torrent: 1. You're downloading. This may or may not be copyright infringement, even if you do already have other licence[s] for the media. Check the licences and the law, if you can understand either. 2. If you're seeding, you're allowing others to download from you. If you're not licensed to do this by the copyright holder [if any], you might be infringing in certain jurisdictions.