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I disagree. I know LOT's of people with an iPod touch that want an iPhone just because they want their apps to access the 'net everywhere, not just wi-fi spots.

I disagree. I know LOT's of people with an iPod touch that want an iPhone just because they want their apps to access the 'net everywhere, not just wi-fi spots. The iPhone is a game changer, and the app store is absolutely instrumental in the story of it's success. If it isn't, why is the iPhone tagline "there's an app for that?"

akd 17y ago
I think the people you're talking about are nonrepresentative. There is a vast number of people who have not installed any apps, and even more who have apps but don't use them. Very few people see the iPod touch as an economical substitute for the iPhone.
- ljlolel 17y ago
  No. You are wrong. Anecdotally, my older father is a way heavier user of apps than me. He listens to a lot of radio (NPR and even Pandora!) and loves the tip calculator and about a million other apps. Kids loving playing games so much on their parents phones that Nintendo actually acknowledged the iPhone as a competitive threat on their earnings call. Statistically, 75% of iPhone users use apps, which is 5x more than other phone users. Nielsen: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/iphone-users-watch-more-video-and-are-older-than-you-think/ http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/iphone-use... . Be careful about assuming things. Apple's iPhone is important because for the first time ever there is an incredibly simple, usable interface to a full-powered computer.
  - axod 17y ago
    >> "No. You are wrong." How successful was the iPhone before the app store existed? I'd say very. >> "Apple's iPhone is important because for the first time ever there is an incredibly simple, usable interface to a full-powered computer." OR Apples iPhone is important, because it's the first usable portable interface to the web.
  - semiquaver 17y ago
    First off, comparing iPhone users to the overall mobile phone market is misleading at best. And while I don't doubt that 75% of iPhone users use apps, "For free applications, only about 20 percent of users return to use the app the first day after they download it, and then it quickly drops off from there. By 30 days out, less than 5 percent are using the app. The chart for paid apps shows a slightly steeper fall-off rate." The iPhone isn't effectively utilized by the vast majority of its users, who value its cachet more then its applications ecosystem. As sibling points out, all the evidence you need is in the overwhelming success of the device before the app store existed. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/19/pinch-media-data-shows-the-average-shelf-life-of-an-iphone-app-is-less-than-30-days/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/19/pinch-media-data-shows-...
axod 17y ago
The iPhone was a success before the app store. It succeeded because it looks sexy, it leveraged off the iPod, it's got an awesome UI, and the best mobile browser by far. The app store doesn't even come into the equation. >> "because they want their apps to access the 'net everywhere, not just wi-fi spots." This may be true more in the US, if you don't have many wifi spots. Here in the UK, you get free data (3G and wifi spots). The wifi spots cover most towns and cities, restaurants etc. In 5 years we'll probably have wifi everywhere, so the whole thing will be a little redundant.
shiranaihito 17y ago
> they want their apps to access the 'net everywhere, not just wi-fi spots. Well, isn't it the connectivity they want then, and not the App Store specifically?

akd 17y ago

I think the people you're talking about are nonrepresentative. There is a vast number of people who have not installed any apps, and even more who have apps but don't use them. Very few people see the iPod touch as an economical substitute for the iPhone.

ljlolel 17y ago
No. You are wrong. Anecdotally, my older father is a way heavier user of apps than me. He listens to a lot of radio (NPR and even Pandora!) and loves the tip calculator and about a million other apps. Kids loving playing games so much on their parents phones that Nintendo actually acknowledged the iPhone as a competitive threat on their earnings call. Statistically, 75% of iPhone users use apps, which is 5x more than other phone users. Nielsen: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/iphone-users-watch-more-video-and-are-older-than-you-think/ http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/iphone-use... . Be careful about assuming things. Apple's iPhone is important because for the first time ever there is an incredibly simple, usable interface to a full-powered computer.
- axod 17y ago
  >> "No. You are wrong." How successful was the iPhone before the app store existed? I'd say very. >> "Apple's iPhone is important because for the first time ever there is an incredibly simple, usable interface to a full-powered computer." OR Apples iPhone is important, because it's the first usable portable interface to the web.
- semiquaver 17y ago
  First off, comparing iPhone users to the overall mobile phone market is misleading at best. And while I don't doubt that 75% of iPhone users use apps, "For free applications, only about 20 percent of users return to use the app the first day after they download it, and then it quickly drops off from there. By 30 days out, less than 5 percent are using the app. The chart for paid apps shows a slightly steeper fall-off rate." The iPhone isn't effectively utilized by the vast majority of its users, who value its cachet more then its applications ecosystem. As sibling points out, all the evidence you need is in the overwhelming success of the device before the app store existed. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/19/pinch-media-data-shows-the-average-shelf-life-of-an-iphone-app-is-less-than-30-days/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/19/pinch-media-data-shows-...

axod 17y ago

The iPhone was a success before the app store. It succeeded because it looks sexy, it leveraged off the iPod, it's got an awesome UI, and the best mobile browser by far. The app store doesn't even come into the equation. >> "because they want their apps to access the 'net everywhere, not just wi-fi spots." This may be true more in the US, if you don't have many wifi spots. Here in the UK, you get free data (3G and wifi spots). The wifi spots cover most towns and cities, restaurants etc. In 5 years we'll probably have wifi everywhere, so the whole thing will be a little redundant.

shiranaihito 17y ago

> they want their apps to access the 'net everywhere, not just wi-fi spots. Well, isn't it the connectivity they want then, and not the App Store specifically?