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It's not disingenuous at all. What you describe is the user managing power consumption rather than the OS.
by gress 13y ago
It's not disingenuous at all. What you describe is the user managing power consumption rather than the OS.
- cheald 13y agoThat's incorrect. The OS still does plenty of power consumption management, but it allows apps to tell it when they want the device to stay in a high-power state, because often you need that for legitimate functionality. It also allows the user to be the ultimate arbiter of power management because apps get it wrong sometimes. To conflate "doesn't impose tight restrictions on resource usage" with "doesn't do power consumption management" is silly.
- gress 13y agoNope. This a straw man - nobody said android "doesn't do power consumption management".
- cheald 13y agoThe claim was "the OS doesn't manage power consumption of apps adequately". My counterclaim is that it's perfectly adequate (when apps manage their locks well, the OS management of power consumption works just as you'd expect) but that Android simply defers judgement for what is an acceptable lock to the app (and the user) rather than imposing restrictions that save power at the cost of functionality. It uses a cooperative strategy, rather than a restrictive strategy. If what you meant is "Android allows apps to consume power when iOS wouldn't", then yes, you're right. That's quite a far cry from "Android doesn't manage power consumption adequately".
- gress 13y agoSorry, more straw man. You have taken that claim out of context. Android forces the user to do power management where iOS does it for the user. If the user is involved where they don't have to be, that is inadequate. Nothing you have said contradicts that.
- therobotking 13y agoHis argument is not a straw man and Android does not force the user to do power management, as you claimed. It is an optional.
- gress 13y agoOptional if you want good battery life, sure.
- npizzolato 13y agoThe stated claim seems entirely in context. And in fact, your restated argument is still rebutted by the post you're replying to. You can't just say "straw man" or "out of context" and then provide no explanation to those claims. Well, obviously you can, because you have been, but it makes your arguments fall flat. I would restate the grandparent's claim to further argue, but clearly that's an effort in futility.
- gress 13y agoIt's not rebutted. Nowhere does he address the point that android makes the user manage the power where iOS does not. Instead he simply attempts to reframe the debate into the usual old saw about Apple's approach being restrictive vs Android. This simply does not rebut the idea that Android is making the user do the work, whereas iOS is doing it for the user. It just tries to make it sound like a good thing rather than a failing.
- cheald 13y agoYour assertion that Android makes the user manage power is so far off base that it's difficult to speak to. It permits the user do, but neither expects nor demands it. The average Android user has no need or desire to proactively manage their power usage by killing tasks or whatnot. You're tilting at windmills here. When exactly did you last use an Android device?
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