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> Unless of course if this isn't about age or sex. I'm female and not getting any younger by the way. But I still don't buy the bull others try to sell. You're

by doktrin 13y ago

> Unless of course if this isn't about age or sex. I'm female and not getting any younger by the way. But I still don't buy the bull others try to sell. You're rebutting a straw man. > No startup is a sure thing. Younger people are less risk averse. Again, a moot point. If an employee is applying to work for a startup, they're acknowledging the risk. The risk, by the way, is negligible for employees. > It's not that a company wants people who will take risks it's that older people want more of a sure thing. They walk in and expect a salary which matches their years of experience, while most places hiring have no use for their experience. This is a contrived example. Furthermore, it doesn't make sense. By a "sure thing" do you mean salary vs. equity? I can assure you most young engineers also value salary. > Their experience would add no value to their business, and so hiring a younger person who does not demand such a high salary is a better option. What are you basing this on? It reads like a caricature. > Clearly if they believe that hiring older people is such a good move they should be able to make a lot of money. I already addressed this. If you're intent on repeating your original claim, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Tohhou 13y ago
>You're rebutting a straw man. >Ageism: people are not being hired because of their age only and not for any other reason. >The risk, by the way, is negligible for employees. What. Employees don't care that they might not have a job? Employees don't care that they might not be able to be paid? >This doesn't make sense. Companies don't want to pay for what they don't need. People feel entitled to what they feel they are worth and not necessarily what value they give to a company based on what the company needs. When they have a lot of experience but nothing useful to contribute they blame things which do not factor in at all in hiring. >What are you basing this on? This reads like a caricature. I think you are mistaking my snark for me actually asserting things. >I already addressed this. If you're intent on repeating your original claim, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Whose responsibility is it to fix the apparent ageism if the people complaining about it don't want to do anything to solve their own problems?
- doktrin 13y ago
  > When they have a lot of experience but nothing useful to contribute they blame things which do not factor in at all in hiring. You're relying on make-believe scenario to argue a point. > I think you are mistaking my snark for me actually asserting things. Sure. > Whose responsibility is it to fix the apparent ageism if the people complaining about it don't want to do anything to solve their own problems? Who, aside from you, say they don't? It's an industry wide issue which is actually being addressed.
  - Tohhou 13y ago
    >You're relying on make-believe scenario to argue a point. I live in a reality where technology is constantly changing, where people need to learn new things or get left behind in their usefulness. If they have years of experience in software or systems which no one uses anymore that doesn't guarantee them anything. >It's an industry wide issue which is actually being addressed. People solving their own problems instead of complaining about them on message boards? Mission Accomplished! Wait, so companies really were not hiring the best people who give them the most value and now suddenly are thanks to people speaking up? When did all of this happen?
    - doktrin 13y ago
      > Then mission accomplished! Wait, so companies really were not hiring the best people who give them the most value and now suddenly are thanks to people speaking up? When did all of this happen? being addressed != addressed This discussion has obviously run its course.
      - Tohhou 13y ago
        Get back to me in 15 years when ageism is no longer something people complain about. Won't happen. It will always be like this. People who refuse to adapt blame others instead of doing something about their own problems. If anything people will invent new isms to blame their problems on.

by doktrin 13y ago

Tohhou 13y ago

>You're rebutting a straw man. >Ageism: people are not being hired because of their age only and not for any other reason. >The risk, by the way, is negligible for employees. What. Employees don't care that they might not have a job? Employees don't care that they might not be able to be paid? >This doesn't make sense. Companies don't want to pay for what they don't need. People feel entitled to what they feel they are worth and not necessarily what value they give to a company based on what the company needs. When they have a lot of experience but nothing useful to contribute they blame things which do not factor in at all in hiring. >What are you basing this on? This reads like a caricature. I think you are mistaking my snark for me actually asserting things. >I already addressed this. If you're intent on repeating your original claim, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Whose responsibility is it to fix the apparent ageism if the people complaining about it don't want to do anything to solve their own problems?

doktrin 13y ago
> When they have a lot of experience but nothing useful to contribute they blame things which do not factor in at all in hiring. You're relying on make-believe scenario to argue a point. > I think you are mistaking my snark for me actually asserting things. Sure. > Whose responsibility is it to fix the apparent ageism if the people complaining about it don't want to do anything to solve their own problems? Who, aside from you, say they don't? It's an industry wide issue which is actually being addressed.
- Tohhou 13y ago
  >You're relying on make-believe scenario to argue a point. I live in a reality where technology is constantly changing, where people need to learn new things or get left behind in their usefulness. If they have years of experience in software or systems which no one uses anymore that doesn't guarantee them anything. >It's an industry wide issue which is actually being addressed. People solving their own problems instead of complaining about them on message boards? Mission Accomplished! Wait, so companies really were not hiring the best people who give them the most value and now suddenly are thanks to people speaking up? When did all of this happen?
  - doktrin 13y ago
    > Then mission accomplished! Wait, so companies really were not hiring the best people who give them the most value and now suddenly are thanks to people speaking up? When did all of this happen? being addressed != addressed This discussion has obviously run its course.
    - Tohhou 13y ago
      Get back to me in 15 years when ageism is no longer something people complain about. Won't happen. It will always be like this. People who refuse to adapt blame others instead of doing something about their own problems. If anything people will invent new isms to blame their problems on.