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Customization is not advancement. In many ways, iOS is clearly more advanced, for example security, energy consumption, 64-bit. You can debate the merits of t

by gress 13y ago

Customization is not advancement. In many ways, iOS is clearly more advanced, for example security, energy consumption, 64-bit. You can debate the merits of these things, but Apple has a sound basis for their claim.

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- enraged_camel 13y ago
  I'm sorry, did you actually have something meaningful to add besides snark?
  - deleted 13y ago
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- gress 13y ago
  Absolutely. Presumably you're just reacting to the gotofail media flap. A little googling would clarify things for you. There are multiple million+ node android botnets, most devices are vulnerable to year old exploits, and there is a thriving market for remote control malware. Basically the same situation that existed on Windows in the bad old days.
  - rdl 13y ago
    iOS (well, software and hardware) security model blows Android out of the water in design; in implementation, it tends to be much more bug free as well. It's the one area where you can clearly say iOS is superior to Android; openness is the one area where Android is unambiguously better than iOS.
    - gress 13y ago
      Unfortunately Android is unambiguously not open. If you want to make an Android device, you must sign up to a restrictive contract with Google. There is an open source subset of Android called AOSP, which you can use as a basis for your OS, but Google prohibits these from being called Android. No Android system is open.
      - rdl 13y ago
        It's entirely better than iOS for openness. As an app developer, it's dramatically more open -- you can override the core functionality of the OS if you want (browser, mail, etc.); you can't on iOS. I'm willing to tolerate the closed nature of iOS for better security and (personally) an interface/hardware I prefer. But stuff like blocking Bitcoin apps is making me question this.
        gress 13y ago
        This point is true, although I hesitate to use the word 'open' to describe that. Android certainly gives apps more control over the user's device. Whether this is 'better' remains to be seen. As an owner of a small quantity of bitcoin, I am personally irritated by the blocking of bitcoin apps, but I'd rather that than have my phone be part of a botnet.
      - Karunamon 13y ago
        What? I thought that only applied if you wanted google services on the device. Android itself is FOSS.
        gress 13y ago
        Nope. If you want to make an Android device, you must sign up for Google's service. You are free to fork AOSP for your own projects which must not be called Android, but that is the extent of the 'openness'.
        Karunamon 13y ago
        Could you kindly link me to this? As far as I can tell, AOSP itself is under the Apache license, and terms like the ones you mention are incompatible with that license.
- runjake 13y ago
  > I'm sorry, security? He might be referring to: - iOS's track record on vulnerabilities in comparison to Android. - Apple's track record of virtually no malware appearing in the App Store. - How hard it's been for the community to devise a series of exploits to jailbreak iOS with each new release. - iOS's nice privacy controls that are lacking on Android (App Ops is not official, convenient, or even present in the latest Android releases. And sure there's third party things, but those are 3rd party, and half of them are from China). Privacy controls in Android counter Google's bottom line. - iOS's app permissions model in comparison to the awful current capabilities and culture around broad app permissions in Android (although Google is reacting to this well with improvements in the pipeline). For an awakening view of this, watch what information of yours the Facebook app can get ahold of in Android as opposed to on iOS.
  - bduerst 13y ago
    App Ops is virtually the same as the privacy controls for iOS. It was pulled early from the Kit Kat release because it was breaking so many apps.
    - runjake 13y ago
      It was never intended for end user use, according to Google: http://www.pocketables.com/2013/12/google-clears-app-ops-confusion-never-meant-end-users.html http://www.pocketables.com/2013/12/google-clears-app-ops-con...
      - bduerst 13y ago
        For now, yes. Like most things (e.g. Chromecast SDK) they don't speculate until the release is complete. >The current UI is definitely not something that is appropriate for end users; it is mostly for platform engineers (a tool for examining, debugging, and testing the state of that part of the system), maybe some day for third party developers. In what form these features might be available in the regular UI I couldn’t really speculate about.
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by gress 13y ago

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enraged_camel 13y ago
I'm sorry, did you actually have something meaningful to add besides snark?
- deleted 13y ago
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gress 13y ago
Absolutely. Presumably you're just reacting to the gotofail media flap. A little googling would clarify things for you. There are multiple million+ node android botnets, most devices are vulnerable to year old exploits, and there is a thriving market for remote control malware. Basically the same situation that existed on Windows in the bad old days.
- rdl 13y ago
  iOS (well, software and hardware) security model blows Android out of the water in design; in implementation, it tends to be much more bug free as well. It's the one area where you can clearly say iOS is superior to Android; openness is the one area where Android is unambiguously better than iOS.
  - gress 13y ago
    Unfortunately Android is unambiguously not open. If you want to make an Android device, you must sign up to a restrictive contract with Google. There is an open source subset of Android called AOSP, which you can use as a basis for your OS, but Google prohibits these from being called Android. No Android system is open.
    - rdl 13y ago
      It's entirely better than iOS for openness. As an app developer, it's dramatically more open -- you can override the core functionality of the OS if you want (browser, mail, etc.); you can't on iOS. I'm willing to tolerate the closed nature of iOS for better security and (personally) an interface/hardware I prefer. But stuff like blocking Bitcoin apps is making me question this.
      - gress 13y ago
        This point is true, although I hesitate to use the word 'open' to describe that. Android certainly gives apps more control over the user's device. Whether this is 'better' remains to be seen. As an owner of a small quantity of bitcoin, I am personally irritated by the blocking of bitcoin apps, but I'd rather that than have my phone be part of a botnet.
    - Karunamon 13y ago
      What? I thought that only applied if you wanted google services on the device. Android itself is FOSS.
      - gress 13y ago
        Nope. If you want to make an Android device, you must sign up for Google's service. You are free to fork AOSP for your own projects which must not be called Android, but that is the extent of the 'openness'.
        Karunamon 13y ago
        Could you kindly link me to this? As far as I can tell, AOSP itself is under the Apache license, and terms like the ones you mention are incompatible with that license.
runjake 13y ago
> I'm sorry, security? He might be referring to: - iOS's track record on vulnerabilities in comparison to Android. - Apple's track record of virtually no malware appearing in the App Store. - How hard it's been for the community to devise a series of exploits to jailbreak iOS with each new release. - iOS's nice privacy controls that are lacking on Android (App Ops is not official, convenient, or even present in the latest Android releases. And sure there's third party things, but those are 3rd party, and half of them are from China). Privacy controls in Android counter Google's bottom line. - iOS's app permissions model in comparison to the awful current capabilities and culture around broad app permissions in Android (although Google is reacting to this well with improvements in the pipeline). For an awakening view of this, watch what information of yours the Facebook app can get ahold of in Android as opposed to on iOS.
- bduerst 13y ago
  App Ops is virtually the same as the privacy controls for iOS. It was pulled early from the Kit Kat release because it was breaking so many apps.
  - runjake 13y ago
    It was never intended for end user use, according to Google: http://www.pocketables.com/2013/12/google-clears-app-ops-confusion-never-meant-end-users.html http://www.pocketables.com/2013/12/google-clears-app-ops-con...
    - bduerst 13y ago
      For now, yes. Like most things (e.g. Chromecast SDK) they don't speculate until the release is complete. >The current UI is definitely not something that is appropriate for end users; it is mostly for platform engineers (a tool for examining, debugging, and testing the state of that part of the system), maybe some day for third party developers. In what form these features might be available in the regular UI I couldn’t really speculate about.
      - 13y ago