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Interesting article. Whenever an article like this pops up the usual chorus is, there is no skill shortage, just a shortage at the price the employer is willin
by chollida1 13y ago
Interesting article.
Whenever an article like this pops up the usual chorus is, there is no skill shortage, just a shortage at the price the employer is willing to pay.
Sadly I've seen myself as someone on the hiring side of the table fall into a few of these traps listed in the article.
A newly minted Phd, is one type of person that I've found myself having trouble hiring. Same with an newly minted Masters.
The reason is that often their area of specialization doesn't really help in the role I'm hiring and therefore I wouldn't give them any bump in pay for their extra schooling. On the other side of the table, especially for a Phd, they often expect a bump in pay for their additional schooling so its tough for me to hire someone like that.
EDIT to clarify, I don't reject these people out of hand, infact it helps them get an interview over others, but when it comes to offer time ie salary, I don't give any real value to a masters or Phd. Or put another way, if the salary I'm willing to offer is $125,000 its the same regardless of education.
To be clear, In a fund with 12 people, we have 5 Phd's and one more with a masters, so we do hire well educated people:)
Post grad education might get you interviewed first, but will have almost no bearing at all on if I extend a job offer or not.
The same can be said for what school you went to. MIT education, great I'll put you at the top of the interview pile, but when it comes time to extend an job offer, where you went to school doesn't factor into what we offer at all.
Too far along in their career can also be tough. Often this is due just to salary demands not fitting a junior role.
A new grad has no job they are quitting so they don't need a "bump" in pay to leave. Someone who is well into their career might be a good fit but is making a good salary where they are so they require a sizable pay increase to leave. Given this, it often makes sense to go with the younger candidate whose salary fits the role.
EDIT
To flesh out the senior developer comment a bit more. There are really 3 areas I've had trouble with in the past.
1) The 10 year developer who has 1 year of experience 10 times over. This is just a junior developer who wants the salary of a senior developer.
2) Its harder to find senior developers, regardless of what you pay. As Joel once said the good developers always have jobs, hence his internship program.
3) the hire bar is, umm..., higher for senior developers as they are expected to do more, mentor, design architecture, etc. This means I'm more picky as to who I hire.
Having said that, there are times where experience rules, and in this case you get what you pay for.
NOTE
This post has generated more upvote and downvotes than almost any other post I've written. So half the people agree with me and half disagree?
- mattgreenrocks 13y ago> Too far along in their career can also be tough. Often this is due just to salary demands not fitting a junior role. Why are there not enough roles for senior devs? It's not like someone with ten years of experience wants to do the same thing over and over. It's like experience is undesirable in the tech industry.
- tomp 13y agoNo, the thing is that there are not enough "interesting" and "complex" things to do - industry doesn't usually need to scale an app to the size of WhatsApp or Twitter, and even when it does, a handful of senior people managing a team of junior devs usually suffice. So, experience usually isn't really a benefit (after 3-5 years of experience), and can be a detriment for the reason you mention (boredom with doing the same CRUD app over and over again).
- mattgreenrocks 13y agoThis is horrible. Maybe I should suck it up, but it's not my fault industry has zero imagination. What are alternatives? I want to be in R&D, something that America doesn't seem to believe much in.
- tomp 13y agoI have no idea. Google X, Facebook AI Lab? I'm struggling with this myself, the solutions (for me) now seem to be: learn something new every year at work (by changing the technologies your employer uses or changing employers), and research in the afternoon.
- digita88 13y agoI did exactly this - did my research after work, when my employer didn't budge in terms of putting on new technologies, or even improving it, I changed. The other move is to do a start-up and work on one's own R&D (how you do it is your call)