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As the Millennials gather in self-pity on HN. I just throw in I try to avoid hiring Millenials at all cost. They are so full of self-worth, they have nothing to

As the Millennials gather in self-pity on HN. I just throw in I try to avoid hiring Millenials at all cost. They are so full of self-worth, they have nothing to prove - ever. Will bail when any project gets tough, believe they are entitled to all privileges earned after 30 minutes on a job. Worse, you might have to talk to their parents on the phone about their poor job review.

msandford 13y ago
I'm over 30 so probably not a millenial. Honestly whose fault is is that millenials are so shitty? It's not the millenial's fault that their parents raised them horribly, didn't ever let them fail (for fear of ruining their future!) and obsessively planned any and all aspects of their lives. When did the "everyone should have lots of self-esteem because we're all unique snowflakes!" movement get started? If you take the year that really got going and add 10-20 to the number, does that roughly approximate the point at which you started to realize that these kids are all worthless? Of course that generalization that I've made of the parents and education of millenials isn't entirely true; I'm sure plenty of them had perfectly decent parents. But if we're going to make generalizations let's talk about both sides of it. Kids don't really grow up in a vacuum.
- argumentum 13y ago
  According to the article, you probably are included: > defined by Pew as Americans ages 18 to 33
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  - msandford 13y ago
    Okay, let's go! "Generation X, commonly abbreviated to Gen X, is the generation born after the Western Post–World War II baby boom. Demographers, historians and commentators use beginning birth dates from the early 1960s to the early 1980s." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X "Millennials, or the Millennial Generation,[1] also known as Generation Y, are the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates when the generation starts and ends. Commentators use beginning birth years from the early 1980s to the early 2000s." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials "Generation Z is one name used for the cohort of people born after the Millennial Generation. There is no agreement on the exact dates of the generation with some sources starting it at the mid or late 1990s [1] or from the mid 2000s [2] to the present day. This is the generation that is currently being born." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z Alright so what have we learned? Gen X: early 1960s to early 1980s Gen Y: early 1980s to early 2000s Gen Z: mid 1990s/early 2000s to today and further You can't really have a clear start and end date to broad generalizations because the nature of a generalization prevents it.
    - argumentum 13y ago
      I agree, I just was relaying what was stated in the article (1981 to 2000 birth years). When I hear "millennial generation", I think not of birth year, but rather of the set of people who grew up along with what we now refer to as the "technology industry". We tend to take for granted nowadays that next year is going to be phenomenally different than this year, in terms of the tools that we use to communicate, have fun and get things done. For "millennials", this is very easy to comprehend, because our whole lives are constructed around this constant change. I think it's much harder for people even slightly older (or later exposed to tech).
bmoresbest55 13y ago
First of all, what manifold said is exactly what I have said to people for years. I am 24 years old and the mindset of you any all others like you is completely ridiculous. All this does is hurt our whole society. Who do you think is going to take care of the place you live when you retire? Other retired people? You know the answer and so do I. I am looking for work currently and while I have not been looking long I see that there is a problem and it is that people don't want to hire entry level positions or young people they don't trust them. When someone like you says this it just makes me think there is a much bigger problem. I see that companies want people with experience and the pool is shrinking constantly. Companies and people like you need to work with our generation to create an experienced pool of workers in all industries. I work hard and I know it. I have had plenty of things handed to me but I have also worked extremely hard. I know this because of the levels of success I have had I the face of many failures. If you need references for my work ethic I have too many to count and they are all from older generations. I am smart, strong, and confident and your type will not get in our way. So why not help us all understand your perspective instead of saying we are wrong and you are right and there is nothing we can do about it?
rjbwork 13y ago
I'm apparently a millennial and don't fit your mold at all. I work my ass off and try to get better at what I do every day. Good thing my bosses are good managers, businessmen, and people. I can't say the same for someone who disregards an entire group of people due to some preconceived notion of their character.
tsotha 13y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0o9clVQu8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0o9clVQu8
cdcarter 13y ago
You know, we (Millennials) don't run around just solely blaming previous (perhaps your) generations for massively ruining the economy (not to mention the Earth!) at right around the time we were coming into job seeking. I can't speak to any industry, but in non-profit arts, more conversations than not between me and my Millennial coworkers are about how to save the American Theater, how to be able to pay people living wages, how we are sticking it out through under-payment (my bosses boss, one of the top five people in the organization makes less than a 5th yr salary for a dev at Amazon) and over-work (and she works 60 hours a week, minimum) so that we can provide a service for the community and continue to do so. Try hiring a Millennial, because it seems like all you've done is read the Times on Millennials.
saosebastiao 13y ago
Is that what you tell yourself when you get passed up for promotions and the startup you chickened out on goes gangbusters? Or do you really think you are better than an entire generation?
wozniacki 13y ago
Whatever other harsh criticism is routinely leveled at the Millenials, this video - "You Are Not Special" Commencement Speech from Wellesley High School - seems to have struck a chord with American parents. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lfxYhtf8o4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lfxYhtf8o4
eli_gottlieb 13y ago
Sample bias. The Millenials who are good at what we do and not spoiled brats? We mostly don't bother with these threads on the internet, because we have actual work to do. I'm gonna get back to that now.
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msandford 13y ago

I'm over 30 so probably not a millenial. Honestly whose fault is is that millenials are so shitty? It's not the millenial's fault that their parents raised them horribly, didn't ever let them fail (for fear of ruining their future!) and obsessively planned any and all aspects of their lives. When did the "everyone should have lots of self-esteem because we're all unique snowflakes!" movement get started? If you take the year that really got going and add 10-20 to the number, does that roughly approximate the point at which you started to realize that these kids are all worthless? Of course that generalization that I've made of the parents and education of millenials isn't entirely true; I'm sure plenty of them had perfectly decent parents. But if we're going to make generalizations let's talk about both sides of it. Kids don't really grow up in a vacuum.

argumentum 13y ago
According to the article, you probably are included: > defined by Pew as Americans ages 18 to 33
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- msandford 13y ago
  Okay, let's go! "Generation X, commonly abbreviated to Gen X, is the generation born after the Western Post–World War II baby boom. Demographers, historians and commentators use beginning birth dates from the early 1960s to the early 1980s." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X "Millennials, or the Millennial Generation,[1] also known as Generation Y, are the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates when the generation starts and ends. Commentators use beginning birth years from the early 1980s to the early 2000s." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials "Generation Z is one name used for the cohort of people born after the Millennial Generation. There is no agreement on the exact dates of the generation with some sources starting it at the mid or late 1990s [1] or from the mid 2000s [2] to the present day. This is the generation that is currently being born." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z Alright so what have we learned? Gen X: early 1960s to early 1980s Gen Y: early 1980s to early 2000s Gen Z: mid 1990s/early 2000s to today and further You can't really have a clear start and end date to broad generalizations because the nature of a generalization prevents it.
  - argumentum 13y ago
    I agree, I just was relaying what was stated in the article (1981 to 2000 birth years). When I hear "millennial generation", I think not of birth year, but rather of the set of people who grew up along with what we now refer to as the "technology industry". We tend to take for granted nowadays that next year is going to be phenomenally different than this year, in terms of the tools that we use to communicate, have fun and get things done. For "millennials", this is very easy to comprehend, because our whole lives are constructed around this constant change. I think it's much harder for people even slightly older (or later exposed to tech).

bmoresbest55 13y ago

First of all, what manifold said is exactly what I have said to people for years. I am 24 years old and the mindset of you any all others like you is completely ridiculous. All this does is hurt our whole society. Who do you think is going to take care of the place you live when you retire? Other retired people? You know the answer and so do I. I am looking for work currently and while I have not been looking long I see that there is a problem and it is that people don't want to hire entry level positions or young people they don't trust them. When someone like you says this it just makes me think there is a much bigger problem. I see that companies want people with experience and the pool is shrinking constantly. Companies and people like you need to work with our generation to create an experienced pool of workers in all industries. I work hard and I know it. I have had plenty of things handed to me but I have also worked extremely hard. I know this because of the levels of success I have had I the face of many failures. If you need references for my work ethic I have too many to count and they are all from older generations. I am smart, strong, and confident and your type will not get in our way. So why not help us all understand your perspective instead of saying we are wrong and you are right and there is nothing we can do about it?

rjbwork 13y ago

I'm apparently a millennial and don't fit your mold at all. I work my ass off and try to get better at what I do every day. Good thing my bosses are good managers, businessmen, and people. I can't say the same for someone who disregards an entire group of people due to some preconceived notion of their character.

tsotha 13y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0o9clVQu8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0o9clVQu8

cdcarter 13y ago

You know, we (Millennials) don't run around just solely blaming previous (perhaps your) generations for massively ruining the economy (not to mention the Earth!) at right around the time we were coming into job seeking. I can't speak to any industry, but in non-profit arts, more conversations than not between me and my Millennial coworkers are about how to save the American Theater, how to be able to pay people living wages, how we are sticking it out through under-payment (my bosses boss, one of the top five people in the organization makes less than a 5th yr salary for a dev at Amazon) and over-work (and she works 60 hours a week, minimum) so that we can provide a service for the community and continue to do so. Try hiring a Millennial, because it seems like all you've done is read the Times on Millennials.

saosebastiao 13y ago

Is that what you tell yourself when you get passed up for promotions and the startup you chickened out on goes gangbusters? Or do you really think you are better than an entire generation?

wozniacki 13y ago

Whatever other harsh criticism is routinely leveled at the Millenials, this video - "You Are Not Special" Commencement Speech from Wellesley High School - seems to have struck a chord with American parents. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lfxYhtf8o4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lfxYhtf8o4

eli_gottlieb 13y ago

Sample bias. The Millenials who are good at what we do and not spoiled brats? We mostly don't bother with these threads on the internet, because we have actual work to do. I'm gonna get back to that now.

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