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Big Brother Switzerland: real-time Internet interception to start on August 1

46 points by gasull 17y ago

cookies 17y ago
Hi I'm from Switzerland, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a good dedicated virtual host with a reasonable amount of traffic for not too much money. I'm gonna go vpn baby! (obviously not one in Switzerland nor Germany, more like Russia or something :)) Thanks in advance
- die_sekte 17y ago
  http://prgmr.com/xen/ http://prgmr.com/xen/ is cheap and in the US. On another note: Sad to see another great country go that way.
- gasull 17y ago
  Not what you're looking for, but Tor is free: http://tor.eff.org http://tor.eff.org So is SilenceIsDefeat (not actually free, but just a small donation): http://www.silenceisdefeat.com/ http://www.silenceisdefeat.com/
  - barrkel 17y ago
    Tor is also excruciatingly slow.
    - GeneralMaximus 17y ago
      Well, I know a person who uses Tor for even regular web surfing and finds it good enough.
- swombat 17y ago
  EasySpeedy provide servers with unlimited bandwidth for reasonable prices, based in the Netherlands (so geographically close). There's also a german host whose name escapes me that's even cheaper...
- cwan 17y ago
  I've been using witopia.net - you can choose between servers in the UK and US depending on the package you get and it's pretty cheap as I travel to places like China a lot. The upside is that because you can choose servers in the US you can also watch shows on Hulu.
asdlfj2sd33 17y ago
Darn, I used to think of Switzerland as the exception to the ever advancing big brother state. Can anyone think of a free country left in the world? Not some crazy idealist absolute of freedom, but even what just the US had not too long ago.
- salvadors 17y ago
  Estonia.
  - salvadors 17y ago
    Why the downvotes? Estonia generally ranks highly on most metrics for freedom, and came top of the State of World Liberty Index: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index
mkuhn 17y ago
I just read through the document... The surveillance is only applicable if a lawsuit has been started. So one needs put this into context but it still brings up some concerns. As far as I understood it this measure is taken to be able to do surveillance on someones internet connection the same way law enforcement does with phone lines.
- mkuhn 17y ago
  I also just had a look at the law this administrative extension extends, SR780.1 (http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/780_1/index.html http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/780_1/index.html, unfortunatley I wasn't able to find an English translation) Especially interesting is Article 3: Prerequisits (http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/780_1/a3.html http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/780_1/a3.html): (I'm no lawyer and not a native english speaker so my translation might be incorrect but you'll get the picture) To be able to command surveillance the following factors have to be fulfilled: a. Certain factors justify the urgent suspicion, the person to be surveyed has commited one of the crimes listed in paragraph 2 or 3 or was part of such a crime. b. The gravity of such a crime justifies the surveillance c. Other tries at investigating have remained unsuccessful, or the Investigations without the surveillance would be futile or unjustifiably hindered. In paragraph 2 and 3 follows a list of the crimes that justify a surveillance.

46 points by gasull 17y ago

Hi I'm from Switzerland, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a good dedicated virtual host with a reasonable amount of traffic for not too much money. I'm gonna go vpn baby! (obviously not one in Switzerland nor Germany, more like Russia or something :)) Thanks in advance

die_sekte 17y ago
http://prgmr.com/xen/ http://prgmr.com/xen/ is cheap and in the US. On another note: Sad to see another great country go that way.
gasull 17y ago
Not what you're looking for, but Tor is free: http://tor.eff.org http://tor.eff.org So is SilenceIsDefeat (not actually free, but just a small donation): http://www.silenceisdefeat.com/ http://www.silenceisdefeat.com/
- barrkel 17y ago
  Tor is also excruciatingly slow.
  - GeneralMaximus 17y ago
    Well, I know a person who uses Tor for even regular web surfing and finds it good enough.
swombat 17y ago
EasySpeedy provide servers with unlimited bandwidth for reasonable prices, based in the Netherlands (so geographically close). There's also a german host whose name escapes me that's even cheaper...
cwan 17y ago
I've been using witopia.net - you can choose between servers in the UK and US depending on the package you get and it's pretty cheap as I travel to places like China a lot. The upside is that because you can choose servers in the US you can also watch shows on Hulu.

asdlfj2sd33 17y ago

Darn, I used to think of Switzerland as the exception to the ever advancing big brother state. Can anyone think of a free country left in the world? Not some crazy idealist absolute of freedom, but even what just the US had not too long ago.

salvadors 17y ago
Estonia.
- salvadors 17y ago
  Why the downvotes? Estonia generally ranks highly on most metrics for freedom, and came top of the State of World Liberty Index: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index

mkuhn 17y ago

I just read through the document... The surveillance is only applicable if a lawsuit has been started. So one needs put this into context but it still brings up some concerns. As far as I understood it this measure is taken to be able to do surveillance on someones internet connection the same way law enforcement does with phone lines.

mkuhn 17y ago
I also just had a look at the law this administrative extension extends, SR780.1 (http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/780_1/index.html http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/780_1/index.html, unfortunatley I wasn't able to find an English translation) Especially interesting is Article 3: Prerequisits (http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/780_1/a3.html http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/780_1/a3.html): (I'm no lawyer and not a native english speaker so my translation might be incorrect but you'll get the picture) To be able to command surveillance the following factors have to be fulfilled: a. Certain factors justify the urgent suspicion, the person to be surveyed has commited one of the crimes listed in paragraph 2 or 3 or was part of such a crime. b. The gravity of such a crime justifies the surveillance c. Other tries at investigating have remained unsuccessful, or the Investigations without the surveillance would be futile or unjustifiably hindered. In paragraph 2 and 3 follows a list of the crimes that justify a surveillance.