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German here: You're technically missing an second s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsspiel_(wargame) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsspiel_(wargame)

by rb2k_ 13y ago

binarymax 13y ago
Yes you are right. You know us crazy Americans. My apologies for the misspelling! The chess variant is typically spelled with one 's': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegspiel_(chess) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegspiel_(chess)
- Perseids 13y ago
  Does anybody know the etymology of "Kriegspiel"? All I find are references to "Kriegsspiel" but nobody explains where the 's' went. Was it just a misspelling by those who popularized it?
  - philsnow 13y ago
    It's a lot harder (for me) to say Kriegsspiel than (the incorrect) Kriegspiel, because the first 's' is voiced (IPA /z/) and the 'sp' is unvoiced[0]. I'm not saying that's why this alternate spelling has arisen, but it could be a transcription of a mispronunciation. [0] IPA /ʃp/ rather than /sp/ because initial 'sp' in german is pronounced that way. I don't know if this rule has a name... "post-alveolarization"?
    - Perseids 13y ago
      No no, actually the first s is /s/ i.e. voiceless as in "sea" or "pass", so the complete transcription should be /kʀiːksʃpiːl/. The transition between the /s/ and /ʃ/ is then just making your lips round for the /ʃ/ after the wide and flat /s/. It is still not as easy as just leaving it out, but it is whole lot more doable.
      - philsnow 13y ago
        I must be extremely out of practice with German :\ I definitely thought that the 'g' in 'Krieg' was /k/ but the 'g' in 'Kriegs' was /g/.
Udo 13y ago
German is tricky that way. In this case the literal translation of "war game" does not exist because to the German ear those two words must be expressed in a way that suggests a relationship between them. The additional "s" accomplishes that, in essence the phrase becomes a contraction of Krieg's-Spiel (apostrophe added for better readability) which is a special short form that developed from "Spiel des Kriegs" or, translated, "game of war". That said, as a project name Kriegspiel is totally fine. :)

German here: You're technically missing an second s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsspiel_(wargame) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsspiel_(wargame)

by rb2k_ 13y ago

German here: You're technically missing an second s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsspiel_(wargame) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsspiel_(wargame)

binarymax 13y ago

Yes you are right. You know us crazy Americans. My apologies for the misspelling! The chess variant is typically spelled with one 's': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegspiel_(chess) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegspiel_(chess)

Perseids 13y ago
Does anybody know the etymology of "Kriegspiel"? All I find are references to "Kriegsspiel" but nobody explains where the 's' went. Was it just a misspelling by those who popularized it?
- philsnow 13y ago
  It's a lot harder (for me) to say Kriegsspiel than (the incorrect) Kriegspiel, because the first 's' is voiced (IPA /z/) and the 'sp' is unvoiced[0]. I'm not saying that's why this alternate spelling has arisen, but it could be a transcription of a mispronunciation. [0] IPA /ʃp/ rather than /sp/ because initial 'sp' in german is pronounced that way. I don't know if this rule has a name... "post-alveolarization"?
  - Perseids 13y ago
    No no, actually the first s is /s/ i.e. voiceless as in "sea" or "pass", so the complete transcription should be /kʀiːksʃpiːl/. The transition between the /s/ and /ʃ/ is then just making your lips round for the /ʃ/ after the wide and flat /s/. It is still not as easy as just leaving it out, but it is whole lot more doable.
    - philsnow 13y ago
      I must be extremely out of practice with German :\ I definitely thought that the 'g' in 'Krieg' was /k/ but the 'g' in 'Kriegs' was /g/.

Udo 13y ago

German is tricky that way. In this case the literal translation of "war game" does not exist because to the German ear those two words must be expressed in a way that suggests a relationship between them. The additional "s" accomplishes that, in essence the phrase becomes a contraction of Krieg's-Spiel (apostrophe added for better readability) which is a special short form that developed from "Spiel des Kriegs" or, translated, "game of war". That said, as a project name Kriegspiel is totally fine. :)