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This is not a very good or complete answer as others are pointing out. Promises allow you to make your async call in a context where you don't know what has to

This is not a very good or complete answer as others are pointing out. Promises allow you to make your async call in a context where you don't know what has to be done next. You pass the promise around and attach to it as needed (and chained if necessary), that is the lack of coupling that is so desirable.

rdfi 13y ago
And that is what I pointed out in the answer, although worded a little differently: "If you use a callback, at the time of the invocation of the asynchronous operation you have to specify how it will be handled, hence the coupling. With promises you can specify how it will be handled later."
- taeric 13y ago
  But... when that "later" is literally the next clause, I'm not sure the wins. It also gets dangerously close to the reported virtues of try/catch. Since you don't have to specify "how errors are handled until later." Seems the sooner you specify some things the better.
RyanZAG 13y ago
You can technically achieve this from callbacks as well. Simply pass in the callback as a function to the method. This way you can still make your async call in a context where you don't know what has to be done next - what will be done next can be passed in dynamically to the function. That said, I still much prefer promises as they make it much more explicit.
- sanderjd 13y ago
  I'm confused by your comment. > Simply pass in the callback as a function to the method. This way you can still make your async call in a context where you don't know what has to be done next - what will be done next can be passed in dynamically to the function. That sounds like you're just describing how callbacks work in general... The point is that you have to know what function to pass in at the time you make the asynchronous call. With promises, you can figure that out later.
  - MBlume 13y ago
    Let's say I'm in the middle of the method foo, and I do some asynchronous operation. With a promise, I can do two things, I can pass it into some other function, or I can return it to the caller of foo with a callback, I can do two things, I can supply a callback which passes the result into some function, or I can require that the caller of foo provide a callback, which I pass along to the asynchronous operation I'm calling these seem roughly isomorphic to me -- I guess a difference is that if I pass the promise to a method I'm allowing the method to decide when to deref it, but that seems different from the "tightly coupled" claim.
    - skybrian 13y ago
      It's a matter of timing. A callback function could be called immediately and you need to be ready for that, so you need to define the callback before passing it in. With a promise, you can call the then() method after the function returns; if the value is ready earlier then it will automatically be cached until you pick it up. The looser requirements on timing result in better decoupling; like any other value, you can put the promise in an arbitrary data structure and pick it up any time later, or perhaps not at all. If you want to do this with callbacks you'll need to implement a way to cache the value and the result will be equivalent to a promise.
    - sanderjd 13y ago
      Returning a promise to the caller and requiring the caller to pass in a callback are not isomorphic. If you return a value to me, I can figure out what to do with it whenever I want. If you make me pass you a callback, I have to know what I want to do, right when I call you.
- robmcm 13y ago
  There is a slight limitation where you async operation returns before you assign your call back. By using an object (in this case a promise) you could cache the result and make it available to anyone adding a listener in the future.
trjordan 13y ago
And why does that happen? I think the answer is unfortunately simple: callback are typically written inline, and promises are written as separate named functions that are wired up after the fact. You can do whatever you want with both, but the way jQuery implements both encourages better code from promises than callbacks.

rdfi 13y ago

And that is what I pointed out in the answer, although worded a little differently: "If you use a callback, at the time of the invocation of the asynchronous operation you have to specify how it will be handled, hence the coupling. With promises you can specify how it will be handled later."

taeric 13y ago
But... when that "later" is literally the next clause, I'm not sure the wins. It also gets dangerously close to the reported virtues of try/catch. Since you don't have to specify "how errors are handled until later." Seems the sooner you specify some things the better.

RyanZAG 13y ago

You can technically achieve this from callbacks as well. Simply pass in the callback as a function to the method. This way you can still make your async call in a context where you don't know what has to be done next - what will be done next can be passed in dynamically to the function. That said, I still much prefer promises as they make it much more explicit.

sanderjd 13y ago
I'm confused by your comment. > Simply pass in the callback as a function to the method. This way you can still make your async call in a context where you don't know what has to be done next - what will be done next can be passed in dynamically to the function. That sounds like you're just describing how callbacks work in general... The point is that you have to know what function to pass in at the time you make the asynchronous call. With promises, you can figure that out later.
- MBlume 13y ago
  Let's say I'm in the middle of the method foo, and I do some asynchronous operation. With a promise, I can do two things, I can pass it into some other function, or I can return it to the caller of foo with a callback, I can do two things, I can supply a callback which passes the result into some function, or I can require that the caller of foo provide a callback, which I pass along to the asynchronous operation I'm calling these seem roughly isomorphic to me -- I guess a difference is that if I pass the promise to a method I'm allowing the method to decide when to deref it, but that seems different from the "tightly coupled" claim.
  - skybrian 13y ago
    It's a matter of timing. A callback function could be called immediately and you need to be ready for that, so you need to define the callback before passing it in. With a promise, you can call the then() method after the function returns; if the value is ready earlier then it will automatically be cached until you pick it up. The looser requirements on timing result in better decoupling; like any other value, you can put the promise in an arbitrary data structure and pick it up any time later, or perhaps not at all. If you want to do this with callbacks you'll need to implement a way to cache the value and the result will be equivalent to a promise.
  - sanderjd 13y ago
    Returning a promise to the caller and requiring the caller to pass in a callback are not isomorphic. If you return a value to me, I can figure out what to do with it whenever I want. If you make me pass you a callback, I have to know what I want to do, right when I call you.
robmcm 13y ago
There is a slight limitation where you async operation returns before you assign your call back. By using an object (in this case a promise) you could cache the result and make it available to anyone adding a listener in the future.

trjordan 13y ago

And why does that happen? I think the answer is unfortunately simple: callback are typically written inline, and promises are written as separate named functions that are wired up after the fact. You can do whatever you want with both, but the way jQuery implements both encourages better code from promises than callbacks.