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Even more interesting: look who signed Satoshi's key on April Fools Day of last year[1]. http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09

by jnbiche 13y ago

Even more interesting: look who signed Satoshi's key on April Fools Day of last year[1]. http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1 http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&sear... (ignore the signature from today, anyone could have done that in the brouhaha following today's disclosures) Based on that, it looks pretty clear to me that Dorian Nakamoto decided to "latch on" to the Satoshi Nakamoto founder's myth, either as a way to boost his reputation/ego or as some practical joke (or both!). That or Satoshi the Founder is trolling us all. 1. Originally noted a few moments ago by mpfrank on bitcointalk. EDIT: Duh, it's fake. Obviously, it's possible to set your system clock back. I was so intrigued I wasn't thinking clearly, even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair. Sorry folks, maybe if it were timestamped in the blockchain.

elwell 13y ago
Oh wow I totally fell for that. Good troll though.
coolnow 13y ago
What does this mean? Dorian may or may not be "Satoshi", but was definitely involved in Bitcoin?
- selmnoo 13y ago
  One possibility is indeed that Satoshi is trolling us hard. He may actually have based his pseudonym on this guy... but that's playing a dangerous game, as this is in fact one more datapoint to honing in on the real Satoshi. A number of blackhats did this around Lulzsec time. They would adopt a second-level identity -- and drop very, very small hints to make people think they're some person X. Person X being a person the blackhat in question just chose randomly by, oh I dono, cruising around the web where people talk about IT security... choosing an interesting person, learning about them by googling around, and eventually starting to play that person (or rather, play that person playing to be anonymous). This was one of the suggested strategies in the helpdocs wiki, advertised on the irc channel where lulzsec members usually would be. But since Dorian is kind of an old guy, the real Satoshi would have had to know him in real life (hence my saying that it'd be a dangerous game for Satoshi to be playing). But really, I think it's just a very funny coincidence. As others have pointed out, Satoshi Nakamoto is not that of an uncommon Japanese name. Too bad Dorian got dragged into all of this. He seems like a sweet old man, with a great sense of humour ("I want a free lunch", wonderful) and an awesome hobby (model trains are fun). I'll buy you a lunch Dorian!
jallmann 13y ago
I might be reading this incorrectly, but it looks like the Dorian Nakamoto key was created in 2008? Can that be forged? http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x1CB778227480B161 http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&sear...
- sexmonad 13y ago
  Yes. http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x482E9FBB61B3DB0C http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&sear... http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1 http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&sear...
citricsquid 13y ago
That's fake, look at the URL via google cache, it wasn't there a couple of months ago: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fsks.pkqs.net%2Fpks%2Flookup%3Fop%3Dvindex%26fingerprint%3Don%26search%3D0x18C09E865EC948A1 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http%3A...
- jnbiche 13y ago
  Well spotted, I edited my original post and upvoted yours (feel free to downvote mine).
SFN 13y ago
How did John Titor sign it in 2001? The Dorian S Nakamoto signature could be time-faked also.
- meritt 13y ago
  John Titor is a time traveler.
  - jeffbarr 13y ago
    Relevant and disgusting: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/post_373.html http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/post_37...
    - adamnemecek 13y ago
      Wait, how is it relevant?
      - ZoF 13y ago
        I was wondering this as well. I ended up skimming the wikipedia article for John Titor[0]. /* I should note that "John Titor" is a fictional persona of a time travelling man. People made fake posts on multiple forums, some including elaborate diagrams of a "time machine" etc... */ If you scroll down to the "in popular culture" section it mentions that in 2006 none other than the very "Martin Pohlman" to whom your parent poster linked attempted to patent the time machine that John Titor claims to own... So maybe this Martin Pohlman had something to do with(created?) the fake John Titor persona... Really renders the whole thing pretty un-comical. Your parent poster could definitely have been a whole lot clearer though. [0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor
        adamnemecek 13y ago
        This whole thing (Bitcoin, Nakamotos, Titor and now this other dude) is getting a little too complex for me.
adamnemecek 13y ago
Lol at the John Titor reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor (for the uninitiated)
- tonyarkles 13y ago
  Hah, I caught it right away and chuckled, especially since it's got the timestamp faked back to 2001.
- isleyaardvark 13y ago
  And Crash Override/Zero Cool at 1995 for the Hackers movie reference.
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dfc 13y ago
> even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair This is a strange and unhealthy response. What was so hard/uncomfortable about saying "I did not realize" or "I was wrong"? It is okay to be wrong or not know something.
- poopicus 13y ago
  He did say he was wrong. He was simply stating he was surprised he didn't realise sooner, given how he had already identified a similar method of forgery in an earlier affair.
  - dfc 13y ago
    No he did not. Unless you are 5 years old "Duh, I knew that" is not the same thing as admitting fault: "Duh, it's fake. Obviously, it's possible to set your system clock back. I was so intrigued I wasn't thinking clearly, even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair. Sorry folks, maybe if it were timestamped in the blockchain." He played it off and says the real answer is obvious. Then he provides an excuse for not recognizing this obvious truth. Finally to make matters super strange he informs us (w/o evidence) that he was the one that pointed this "attack" out to us during the Snowden affair.
    - gloob 13y ago
      It's okay for you to be wrong about something.
    - MaulingMonkey 13y ago
      You're reading something very different into jnbiche's words than I am. I'm reading it more like this: "[Ooooooh,] Duh[!], it's fake[!] [forehead smack of realization and insight]." You seem to be reading more of a dismissive "Duh, I knew that, why are you telling me what I already know?" into this, whereas I'm reading a much more realization-striken tone. "Obviously, it's possible to set your system clock back." Thinking out loud through the realization and insight as it occurred. "I was so intrigued I wasn't thinking clearly, even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair." Explaining the circumstances of and implicitly acknowledging and admitting to a mistake or fault, continuing revelation. An introspective done, not a defensive one, not offered up as an "excuse".

by jnbiche 13y ago

elwell 13y ago

Oh wow I totally fell for that. Good troll though.

coolnow 13y ago

What does this mean? Dorian may or may not be "Satoshi", but was definitely involved in Bitcoin?

selmnoo 13y ago
One possibility is indeed that Satoshi is trolling us hard. He may actually have based his pseudonym on this guy... but that's playing a dangerous game, as this is in fact one more datapoint to honing in on the real Satoshi. A number of blackhats did this around Lulzsec time. They would adopt a second-level identity -- and drop very, very small hints to make people think they're some person X. Person X being a person the blackhat in question just chose randomly by, oh I dono, cruising around the web where people talk about IT security... choosing an interesting person, learning about them by googling around, and eventually starting to play that person (or rather, play that person playing to be anonymous). This was one of the suggested strategies in the helpdocs wiki, advertised on the irc channel where lulzsec members usually would be. But since Dorian is kind of an old guy, the real Satoshi would have had to know him in real life (hence my saying that it'd be a dangerous game for Satoshi to be playing). But really, I think it's just a very funny coincidence. As others have pointed out, Satoshi Nakamoto is not that of an uncommon Japanese name. Too bad Dorian got dragged into all of this. He seems like a sweet old man, with a great sense of humour ("I want a free lunch", wonderful) and an awesome hobby (model trains are fun). I'll buy you a lunch Dorian!

jallmann 13y ago

I might be reading this incorrectly, but it looks like the Dorian Nakamoto key was created in 2008? Can that be forged? http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x1CB778227480B161 http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&sear...

sexmonad 13y ago
Yes. http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x482E9FBB61B3DB0C http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&sear... http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1 http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&sear...

citricsquid 13y ago

That's fake, look at the URL via google cache, it wasn't there a couple of months ago: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fsks.pkqs.net%2Fpks%2Flookup%3Fop%3Dvindex%26fingerprint%3Don%26search%3D0x18C09E865EC948A1 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http%3A...

jnbiche 13y ago
Well spotted, I edited my original post and upvoted yours (feel free to downvote mine).

SFN 13y ago

How did John Titor sign it in 2001? The Dorian S Nakamoto signature could be time-faked also.

meritt 13y ago
John Titor is a time traveler.
- jeffbarr 13y ago
  Relevant and disgusting: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/post_373.html http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/post_37...
  - adamnemecek 13y ago
    Wait, how is it relevant?
    - ZoF 13y ago
      I was wondering this as well. I ended up skimming the wikipedia article for John Titor[0]. /* I should note that "John Titor" is a fictional persona of a time travelling man. People made fake posts on multiple forums, some including elaborate diagrams of a "time machine" etc... */ If you scroll down to the "in popular culture" section it mentions that in 2006 none other than the very "Martin Pohlman" to whom your parent poster linked attempted to patent the time machine that John Titor claims to own... So maybe this Martin Pohlman had something to do with(created?) the fake John Titor persona... Really renders the whole thing pretty un-comical. Your parent poster could definitely have been a whole lot clearer though. [0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor
      - adamnemecek 13y ago
        This whole thing (Bitcoin, Nakamotos, Titor and now this other dude) is getting a little too complex for me.

adamnemecek 13y ago

Lol at the John Titor reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor (for the uninitiated)

tonyarkles 13y ago
Hah, I caught it right away and chuckled, especially since it's got the timestamp faked back to 2001.
isleyaardvark 13y ago
And Crash Override/Zero Cool at 1995 for the Hackers movie reference.

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dfc 13y ago

> even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair This is a strange and unhealthy response. What was so hard/uncomfortable about saying "I did not realize" or "I was wrong"? It is okay to be wrong or not know something.

poopicus 13y ago
He did say he was wrong. He was simply stating he was surprised he didn't realise sooner, given how he had already identified a similar method of forgery in an earlier affair.
- dfc 13y ago
  No he did not. Unless you are 5 years old "Duh, I knew that" is not the same thing as admitting fault: "Duh, it's fake. Obviously, it's possible to set your system clock back. I was so intrigued I wasn't thinking clearly, even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair. Sorry folks, maybe if it were timestamped in the blockchain." He played it off and says the real answer is obvious. Then he provides an excuse for not recognizing this obvious truth. Finally to make matters super strange he informs us (w/o evidence) that he was the one that pointed this "attack" out to us during the Snowden affair.
  - gloob 13y ago
    It's okay for you to be wrong about something.
  - MaulingMonkey 13y ago
    You're reading something very different into jnbiche's words than I am. I'm reading it more like this: "[Ooooooh,] Duh[!], it's fake[!] [forehead smack of realization and insight]." You seem to be reading more of a dismissive "Duh, I knew that, why are you telling me what I already know?" into this, whereas I'm reading a much more realization-striken tone. "Obviously, it's possible to set your system clock back." Thinking out loud through the realization and insight as it occurred. "I was so intrigued I wasn't thinking clearly, even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair." Explaining the circumstances of and implicitly acknowledging and admitting to a mistake or fault, continuing revelation. An introspective done, not a defensive one, not offered up as an "excuse".