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the burden of proof is on those who make the extremely unlikely claim that the person who painstakingly tried to hide his identity used his real name, communica

by VMG 13y ago

the burden of proof is on those who make the extremely unlikely claim that the person who painstakingly tried to hide his identity used his real name, communicates in native-level english on the Bitcoin forums and purposefully communicates in low-level English on all other internet forums. Does not make any sense at all.

georgemcbay 13y ago
From where I'm sitting the burden of proof is on those who claim he ever painstakingly tried to hide his identity. To me it looks like someone who doesn't like a lot of personal attention (something I can certainly relate to) creating something to scratch an intellectual itch and that thing grew far larger than he imagined, so he bowed out. I see no proof that he is someone who was planning complete anonymity from the start, that seems to me like a bolted on rationalization from people confused by his partial disappearing act.
- VMG 13y ago
  The newsweek article itself claims that Satoshi tried to hide his identity. He never posted any personal information and used an anonymous japanese registration service for the bitcoin.org domain, payment in cash. An unlikely effort for somebody who doesn't care about anonymity.
  - georgemcbay 13y ago
    The article quotes Gavin Andresen as saying "He went to great lengths to protect his anonymity.", but other than that doesn't offer anything to show that he actually was actively trying to hide his identity or was ever using a pseudonym.
    - VMG 13y ago
      In that case, why is there no track record of a programmer named Satoshi Nakamoto on the internet? All we have is a track record of a model train hobbyist Dorian Nakamoto.
    - gwern 13y ago
      If it helps a bit: Satoshi Nakamoto sent all emails over Tor, connected to Bitcointalk over Tor, and paid through the nose for bitcoin.org registrar & hosting services on Anonymousspeech.
Steko 13y ago
Somehow you've mistaken life for a courtroom where we all need to meet the same standard of proof. I don't care what your burden of proof is, the preponderance of the evidence to me says that this is the guy. Now if Newsweek comes out and retracts the fairly unambiguous quotes we saw earlier I'm more than happy to change my views.

by VMG 13y ago

georgemcbay 13y ago

From where I'm sitting the burden of proof is on those who claim he ever painstakingly tried to hide his identity. To me it looks like someone who doesn't like a lot of personal attention (something I can certainly relate to) creating something to scratch an intellectual itch and that thing grew far larger than he imagined, so he bowed out. I see no proof that he is someone who was planning complete anonymity from the start, that seems to me like a bolted on rationalization from people confused by his partial disappearing act.

VMG 13y ago
The newsweek article itself claims that Satoshi tried to hide his identity. He never posted any personal information and used an anonymous japanese registration service for the bitcoin.org domain, payment in cash. An unlikely effort for somebody who doesn't care about anonymity.
- georgemcbay 13y ago
  The article quotes Gavin Andresen as saying "He went to great lengths to protect his anonymity.", but other than that doesn't offer anything to show that he actually was actively trying to hide his identity or was ever using a pseudonym.
  - VMG 13y ago
    In that case, why is there no track record of a programmer named Satoshi Nakamoto on the internet? All we have is a track record of a model train hobbyist Dorian Nakamoto.
  - gwern 13y ago
    If it helps a bit: Satoshi Nakamoto sent all emails over Tor, connected to Bitcointalk over Tor, and paid through the nose for bitcoin.org registrar & hosting services on Anonymousspeech.

Steko 13y ago

Somehow you've mistaken life for a courtroom where we all need to meet the same standard of proof. I don't care what your burden of proof is, the preponderance of the evidence to me says that this is the guy. Now if Newsweek comes out and retracts the fairly unambiguous quotes we saw earlier I'm more than happy to change my views.