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Mozilla is just the best company. They took a stand when it mattered and where the billion dollar money makers Google, Apple, Facebook and the like failed spect

by wellboy 13y ago

Mozilla is just the best company. They took a stand when it mattered and where the billion dollar money makers Google, Apple, Facebook and the like failed spectacularly. They are no bs, fight for internet freedom, celebrate transparency, are the centroid of internet activism and the extension of Aaron Schwartz' ideas. Mozilla is what makes me want to stay in tech and every company should try to learn from Mozilla what it means to be a tech company.

rimantas 13y ago
Apple was the first to bring implementation of things that now a big part of what we call HTML5: canvas, CSS transforms and animations, etc. Mozilla deserves credit of taking over from IE6 and moving web forward in the first years of XXI century (when there was no Facebook at all and Apple was hardly a billion dollar money maker), but around 2007 Gecko stalled and Apple and then Google driven WebKit took over. Maybe Mozilla was a tech company but now I see them mostly as politics company.
- gcp 13y ago
  I must've imagined all the things like emscripten, all the new WebAPI's that make Firefox OS possible, WebRTC, asm.js, etc...but then again I'm not a random internet troll which is posting vague and baseless comments all over HN.
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  - rimantas 13y ago
    emscripten depends on LLVM, guess who is the biggest backer of that project? Would you mind to expand a bit about "vague and baseless"? Or maybe you could spend some time and learn the history of canvas element, or CSS transforms? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0080.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0080.h... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0090.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0090.h... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2007Mar/0662.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/20... As for "all new WebAPI's" you'd be surprised how many of them were first implemented in WebKit. WebRTC? Chrome—fall 2012. Firefox—summer 2013
    - gcp 13y ago
      As for "all new WebAPI's" you'd be surprised how many of them were first implemented in WebKit. Enlighten us: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI WebRTC? Chrome—fall 2012. Firefox—summer 2013 I don't think so: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/11/progress-update-on-webrtc-for-firefox-on-desktop/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/11/progress-update-on-webrtc-... Note that at this point Firefox had DataChannel, and it would take Chrome months to catch up there. Firefox also introduced the used audio codec. That said it's a bad example, because WebRTC standardization is currently a strong effort between both companies and it'd be great for the web if more standards went this way rather than ending up with having to try to standardize half-assed implementations from one rendering engine. (cough WebSQL cough)
johnbm 13y ago
They make all their money from Google ads. Millions.
- gcp 13y ago
  This hasn't stopped them from taking stances, though? Diversifying the income seem to be an important goal right now, even if the userbase hasn't been very sympathetic so far.

by wellboy 13y ago

rimantas 13y ago

Apple was the first to bring implementation of things that now a big part of what we call HTML5: canvas, CSS transforms and animations, etc. Mozilla deserves credit of taking over from IE6 and moving web forward in the first years of XXI century (when there was no Facebook at all and Apple was hardly a billion dollar money maker), but around 2007 Gecko stalled and Apple and then Google driven WebKit took over. Maybe Mozilla was a tech company but now I see them mostly as politics company.

gcp 13y ago
I must've imagined all the things like emscripten, all the new WebAPI's that make Firefox OS possible, WebRTC, asm.js, etc...but then again I'm not a random internet troll which is posting vague and baseless comments all over HN.
- deleted 13y ago
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- rimantas 13y ago
  emscripten depends on LLVM, guess who is the biggest backer of that project? Would you mind to expand a bit about "vague and baseless"? Or maybe you could spend some time and learn the history of canvas element, or CSS transforms? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0080.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0080.h... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0090.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0090.h... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2007Mar/0662.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/20... As for "all new WebAPI's" you'd be surprised how many of them were first implemented in WebKit. WebRTC? Chrome—fall 2012. Firefox—summer 2013
  - gcp 13y ago
    As for "all new WebAPI's" you'd be surprised how many of them were first implemented in WebKit. Enlighten us: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI WebRTC? Chrome—fall 2012. Firefox—summer 2013 I don't think so: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/11/progress-update-on-webrtc-for-firefox-on-desktop/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/11/progress-update-on-webrtc-... Note that at this point Firefox had DataChannel, and it would take Chrome months to catch up there. Firefox also introduced the used audio codec. That said it's a bad example, because WebRTC standardization is currently a strong effort between both companies and it'd be great for the web if more standards went this way rather than ending up with having to try to standardize half-assed implementations from one rendering engine. (cough WebSQL cough)

johnbm 13y ago

They make all their money from Google ads. Millions.

gcp 13y ago
This hasn't stopped them from taking stances, though? Diversifying the income seem to be an important goal right now, even if the userbase hasn't been very sympathetic so far.