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Can someone please moderate the title? The actual blog article title is "Java 8 Survey Results". The given HN title of "More than 2800 developers speak out abou

by jamhan 13y ago

Can someone please moderate the title? The actual blog article title is "Java 8 Survey Results". The given HN title of "More than 2800 developers speak out about Java 8" is misleading, if not an outright lie.

maaaats 13y ago
I'm not a native speaker, but the for me the connotation in the title is that people are negative to Java8. Is that correct?
- disputin 13y ago
  Yes.
- kibwen 13y ago
  "Speak out" in that context is not universally negative, but it does tend to imply criticism.
fecak 13y ago
Why would this be considered "an outright lie"? Does "speak out" always have to be attributed to negative opinions? This article wasn't perceived as negative towards Java in my eyes, but one could say that the respondents to the survey spoke out about their future intents and most desired features.
- craigching 13y ago
  > Why would this be considered "an outright lie"? I think that comment was a bit exaggerated. > Does "speak out" always have to be attributed to negative opinions? I would say no, not always, but generally, yes. That's exactly what I thought when I read the headline and then when I went to the link I was disappointed that I wouldn't find a critique of Java 8. I am, however, still interested in a survay ;) Note that I am enthusiastic about Java 8, so thinking there was a valid critique of it really piqued my interest.
  - fecak 13y ago
    I was expecting a more critical piece as well, but I'm not sure the words "speak out" gave me that impression as much as the fact that it was (a) a survey about Java and (b) HN front page news. Java is not always a popular topic here. One could interpret some of the answers as a bit critical of Java (or the community), but not Java 8 specifically. The fact that 22% of Java devs are using a release that is 7 years old and hasn't been updated in a year isn't something the Java community is likely bragging about. I mentioned elsewhere in the thread that the takeaway for me was that 83% were excited about lambdas, which Scala already offers, and the notion that Java's future updates might start looking more like Scala. So the survey may suggest "why not just use Scala?"
jamhan 13y ago
For me, "speak out" implies mostly unsolicited statements of opinion. Negative or positive does not play a role. Replying to a solicited survey does not constitute speaking out. Representing the results of a survey as a mass "speaking-out" gives far more impact to the article than it would otherwise have, as if it were some spontaneous outpouring of opinion on the subject. Regardless, I thought HN had a policy against editorialising article titles.

by jamhan 13y ago

maaaats 13y ago

I'm not a native speaker, but the for me the connotation in the title is that people are negative to Java8. Is that correct?

disputin 13y ago
Yes.
kibwen 13y ago
"Speak out" in that context is not universally negative, but it does tend to imply criticism.

fecak 13y ago

Why would this be considered "an outright lie"? Does "speak out" always have to be attributed to negative opinions? This article wasn't perceived as negative towards Java in my eyes, but one could say that the respondents to the survey spoke out about their future intents and most desired features.

craigching 13y ago
> Why would this be considered "an outright lie"? I think that comment was a bit exaggerated. > Does "speak out" always have to be attributed to negative opinions? I would say no, not always, but generally, yes. That's exactly what I thought when I read the headline and then when I went to the link I was disappointed that I wouldn't find a critique of Java 8. I am, however, still interested in a survay ;) Note that I am enthusiastic about Java 8, so thinking there was a valid critique of it really piqued my interest.
- fecak 13y ago
  I was expecting a more critical piece as well, but I'm not sure the words "speak out" gave me that impression as much as the fact that it was (a) a survey about Java and (b) HN front page news. Java is not always a popular topic here. One could interpret some of the answers as a bit critical of Java (or the community), but not Java 8 specifically. The fact that 22% of Java devs are using a release that is 7 years old and hasn't been updated in a year isn't something the Java community is likely bragging about. I mentioned elsewhere in the thread that the takeaway for me was that 83% were excited about lambdas, which Scala already offers, and the notion that Java's future updates might start looking more like Scala. So the survey may suggest "why not just use Scala?"

jamhan 13y ago

For me, "speak out" implies mostly unsolicited statements of opinion. Negative or positive does not play a role. Replying to a solicited survey does not constitute speaking out. Representing the results of a survey as a mass "speaking-out" gives far more impact to the article than it would otherwise have, as if it were some spontaneous outpouring of opinion on the subject. Regardless, I thought HN had a policy against editorialising article titles.