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Language wise C# was than Java from day 1, but the C# toolset and build model are why I prefer C# over Java. I have never had to spend ages trying track down a

Language wise C# was than Java from day 1, but the C# toolset and build model are why I prefer C# over Java. I have never had to spend ages trying track down a "class not found" error in C#. Nor have I had to deal with version clashes between libraries. And I might be biased because I develop mainly on Windows, but I think Visual Studio is a better IDE than Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ or JDeveloper.

kashif 17y ago
Really Visual studio is better than Intellij/Eclipse?!? I can tell that you havent done enough programming in the Java world. Have you ever tried any serious refactoring or bothered analyzing your code. I didnt think so, you would have realized why visual studio sucks.. BTW, I program in both C# and Java all the time. Actually, I do about 70% C# and 30% Java. So your claims are crap.
- Caligula 17y ago
  I would not call all his claims crap. I disagree with his libraries statement but agree that visual studios is better than netbeans or eclipse. I have used c# in vs.net for years up until a year ago and am stuck using eclipse now. I miss vs.net, not so much c#.
  - kashif 17y ago
    Hmm...try Intellij Idea and I think you might get over VS. Eclipse is a bit clumsy but really powerful. VS is basically a text editor with intellisense.
- utnick 17y ago
  try it with resharper. brings it up to java ide level.
- ilitirit 17y ago
  > BTW, I program in both C# and Java all the time. So do I, so you can drop the holier than thou attitude. In case you didn't know, refactoring plugins for VS do exist, and I use them. But you're just comparing one aspect of the IDE. I use VS Team Suite, so I have built-in Unit Testing, collaboration, modelling (data and code), and multi-language projects in one solution (ie. I can write a COM object in C++ and a C# client in the same solution). IMO, considering your objection, you are the one who hasn't done serious development in any language. (See? It's easy to drop pointless statements like that)
messel 17y ago
My preference is definitely visual studio over netbeans/eclipse simply due to response time and the ease of installation.
- rbanffy 17y ago
  How is NetBeans difficult to install? I would understand being confused as to what package to download from eclipse.org, but NetBeans?!
  - messel 17y ago
    Setting up a scala/lift environment correctly took a bit. Read up about the proper JDK, SDK and I still have probs building inside the IDE (I just gave up and use maven on the command line)
    - rbanffy 17y ago
      And exactly how easy would that be under VisualStudio (object of the original complaint about NetBeans being too difficult to set up)?
- caustic 17y ago
  Where are these people come from? Installing Eclipse is as easy as unpacking ZIP file. Unlike VisualStudio, whose installer is just slow and buggy piece of crap, which constantly breaks so hard, that you have to download a special tool to reinstall it.
  - messel 17y ago
    visual studio express 2008 took me less than 5 minutes total to get up and running. netbeans or eclipse took me far longer to start building web apps (GAE or scala/lift) plus the IDE itself has a very long load time and terribly slow response time.

kashif 17y ago

Really Visual studio is better than Intellij/Eclipse?!? I can tell that you havent done enough programming in the Java world. Have you ever tried any serious refactoring or bothered analyzing your code. I didnt think so, you would have realized why visual studio sucks.. BTW, I program in both C# and Java all the time. Actually, I do about 70% C# and 30% Java. So your claims are crap.

Caligula 17y ago
I would not call all his claims crap. I disagree with his libraries statement but agree that visual studios is better than netbeans or eclipse. I have used c# in vs.net for years up until a year ago and am stuck using eclipse now. I miss vs.net, not so much c#.
- kashif 17y ago
  Hmm...try Intellij Idea and I think you might get over VS. Eclipse is a bit clumsy but really powerful. VS is basically a text editor with intellisense.
utnick 17y ago
try it with resharper. brings it up to java ide level.
ilitirit 17y ago
> BTW, I program in both C# and Java all the time. So do I, so you can drop the holier than thou attitude. In case you didn't know, refactoring plugins for VS do exist, and I use them. But you're just comparing one aspect of the IDE. I use VS Team Suite, so I have built-in Unit Testing, collaboration, modelling (data and code), and multi-language projects in one solution (ie. I can write a COM object in C++ and a C# client in the same solution). IMO, considering your objection, you are the one who hasn't done serious development in any language. (See? It's easy to drop pointless statements like that)

messel 17y ago

My preference is definitely visual studio over netbeans/eclipse simply due to response time and the ease of installation.

rbanffy 17y ago
How is NetBeans difficult to install? I would understand being confused as to what package to download from eclipse.org, but NetBeans?!
- messel 17y ago
  Setting up a scala/lift environment correctly took a bit. Read up about the proper JDK, SDK and I still have probs building inside the IDE (I just gave up and use maven on the command line)
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    And exactly how easy would that be under VisualStudio (object of the original complaint about NetBeans being too difficult to set up)?
caustic 17y ago
Where are these people come from? Installing Eclipse is as easy as unpacking ZIP file. Unlike VisualStudio, whose installer is just slow and buggy piece of crap, which constantly breaks so hard, that you have to download a special tool to reinstall it.
- messel 17y ago
  visual studio express 2008 took me less than 5 minutes total to get up and running. netbeans or eclipse took me far longer to start building web apps (GAE or scala/lift) plus the IDE itself has a very long load time and terribly slow response time.