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Codekit 2 is out

49 points by sebgeelen 13y ago

TobbenTM 13y ago
Reading the testimonies made me wonder if this whole thing was a joke or not. Looks cool otherwise though...
- imwhimsical 13y ago
  So it isn't a joke?
- bulte-rs 13y ago
  Are you kidding me? The testimonials give the whola page a somewhat human touch. I - for one - am now pondering if there really is a story behind the "Mad at me since 2008" stuff about Apple's legal department :P
  - srd 13y ago
    I had the opposite impression. My initial reaction was "how immature and technological incompetent are your users?". I'm guessing the app is being marketed towards hipster frontend devs.
    - sbuk 13y ago
      Wow.
      - jbeja 13y ago
        Is double-edge sword as you may guess.
    - bulte-rs 13y ago
      I'm far from a hipster front end dev I think; but I just happen to like the general 'tone' of this guys (if you're reading, sorry for referring to you as this guy) writing style. So probably I'm not in his target demographic. Stuff like "Make Panic Jealous" target a really specific group of users (ye-olde average user doesn't know who/what Panic is) but really add flavour to his companies image. Of course, to each his own. I don't like the writing style in Romeo and Juliet; does that make me a hater of the arts?
- beaker52 13y ago
  I think it's trying to parody itself. I remember the days when I thought tools like this were cool. Like Coda for example. CLI tools don't need to parody themselves, they're usually free, cross platform and I can retire them quickly because I don't feel overtly attached to them.
igvadaimon 13y ago
I'm currently using gulp + browserify, it's basically the same set of features (modules, compilation, livereload), but free. Maybe a little more configuration necessary though.
hartator 13y ago
A few thoughts: - 2min and 54secondes of demo video to explain the localhost address. Sooo, boring. - At first, it sounded like another text editor but it's not. - It seems that's just a GUI skin to CLI tools
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- wakaflaka 13y ago
  Yeah and Dropbox is just a GUI skin for rsync.
  - hartator 13y ago
    Sure, you got a point. (I've upvoted you.) In the same time, Dropbox is more towards less savvy user and when you use Dropbox is more for the Cloud hosting than for its rsync capabilities.
    - coldtea 13y ago
      Bittorent Sync then, who doesn't have Cloud hosting.
ethana 13y ago
"A Mac App for Cool People" Did they really have to resort to a level that low?
- agildehaus 13y ago
  Seriously. An embarrassingly bad slogan.
  - csixty4 13y ago
    Self-deprecation has been part of CodeKit's branding since the beginning, when nobody had heard of it and the author had to put up his first fake testimonials.
- JoeAnzalone 13y ago
  Sounds like CodeKit's not for you then
sideproject 13y ago
Set aside a few strange things you find on this website (e.g. testimonies sound fake...), CodeKit is an excellent program, I've been using for a few years. GruntJS and Gulp essentially do the same thing of course, but CodeKit I guess 'interfaces' all those text-based configurations and once it's configured, well, it's pretty much done and you can just let it run in the background and forget about it. Highly recommend it!
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jwarren 13y ago
Codekit is a beautiful, comprehensive and powerful solution for those who don't want to/don't feel comfortable setting up Grunt or Gulp. If you're one of those people, it comes highly recommended.
chalgo 13y ago
The best thing on the page was the face palm user image.
Cthulhu_ 13y ago
I like what I'm seeing, however the main gripe I have is that it doesn't seem to be cross-platform; it looks like it's a GUI for Grunt configuration (it seems to have similar options) though. Compare Maven / Ant / Gradle for the Java world, instead of builds configured in the IDE; said IDE's often have a GUI component for major build configuration files. I wouldn't mind a GUI for Grunt configs, without sensible code refactoring, those can be a bitch to maintain.
- SippinLean 13y ago
  There's a GUI for Grunt in the works: https://github.com/Mobile-Team/spock https://github.com/Mobile-Team/spock
ckorhonen 13y ago
A bit frustration that it is a paid upgrade for Codekit 1.0 users - doesn't seem like that much has been changed, and it's not as if the first version saw a ton of updates.
- rasmusbe 13y ago
  Well, it includes some new tools, the refreshing of projects works better but the internal server is the really cool new feature. I really think it's worth the upgrade price.
DanBC 13y ago
This URL crashes Chrome on iOS.
- tambourine_man 13y ago
  And iOS7 Safari
tempodox 13y ago
“You don’t have permission to save the file ‘CodeKit’ to the folder ‘Library’.” This crap doesn’t even start. Sent it straight to the trash.
pete_b 13y ago
Another solution to the 'elephant in the room' - that frontend workflows have become too complicated for frontend developers.
antihero 13y ago
I really don't see the value of having the compile toolchain in your editor. If you are making a serious front-end project, you will have created a gulp/grunt based workflow so that anyone with node installed can compile it. If you rely on Codekit's features, surely you're locking people into that editor? Is it really so hard to open a command window and run a single command?
- bramdevries 13y ago
  For some people it is, I used to use CodeKit too (and I've used the beta) but at the moment I prefer using Grunt/Gulp, it provides me with more control over the building and others can use it easily by doing npm install. But I assure you that there's definitely a market for tools like this.
- sbarre 13y ago
  You grossly underestimate the number of solo/freelance web developers out there who just want to get to work on the project itself, instead of learning and setting up all those things (which may be overkill for their one-person project). "Effort vs. Result" is an important metric, and Codekit lets you just "get it done" without needing to learn how to install and set up grunt or gulp, node (edit: and uglify-js, bower, image optimization tools, sass, less, stylus, compass, etc).. It just works. And when Codekit becomes no longer appropriate then one can spend the time required to learn and configure grunt/gulp.
  - jbeja 13y ago
    Is not like configure grunt or gulp is rocket science. If you are a solo/freelance that code to get the job done, 5 to 10 minutes of your time just for configure a grunt/gulp is not a massive lost of production time, also you get more control over what you want. Don't make it look like you would spend days trying to setting up that workflow when on reality it just take less than 10 or even 5 minutes for the avarege folk. Is really learning new things that scary, because for my understanding we as developers/designers need to learn new things every day so what is the hue?
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brennannovak 13y ago
Looks very promising and like a great upgrade from CodeKit 1.0 of which I've been a happy user for the last 1.5 years. The creator has provided excellent support every time I contact him. I LOVE the sense of humor in the testimonials section... LULz My one concern is does CK 2.0 create standard config files for Bower, Grunt, etc... CK 1.0 did NOT do this and made collaborating with non Mac / non CK users difficult!
starburst1977 13y ago
I like CodeKit. It safes me time/work to focus on more pressing matters.
dubcanada 13y ago
My goodness, this thread is actually worse then reddit. I never thought I would see such garbage in Hacker News before. This guy is releasing a new version of his product, of which thousands probably use. He just so happens to have a sense of humor (which anyone who has used Codekit before would know about) and you guys are picking him apart like a piece of turkey. I actually can't believe what I am reading atm, has this industry really gotten to a point where nobody has a sense of humor or any congratulatory comments anymore? And everyone is force to pick apart every single thing?
- sbarre 13y ago
  HN has always had a vocal population of pedants who like to complain about shit they can nitpick apart for no good reason. Combined with the other population who don't like to see tools and projects that let "lowly" developers accomplish the same things they worked so hard to do the manual/complicated way, and you get this thread so far.. Such is life...
- iansinnott 13y ago
  Agreed, this thread is ridiculous. Bryan is one of the funniest guys in the industry and his product is excellent
- Akuma 13y ago
  I've been lurking on Hacker news for some time, and I'd say it's pretty common for threads to be filled with this attitude. I'd say it's a tad bit more common in threads that somehow is Apple related (this is a mac only app).
simonhamp 13y ago
CodeKit is awesome and Bryan is a funny guy. I'm surprised that so many people don't get the humour on the website. I love it. Shows me Bryan's a real genuine person. Oh and he's built an awesome product that makes my life so much easier... and he doesn't demand I pay the earth for it. #win
sugarenia 13y ago
nonchalantly getting out credit card to pay for a great upgrade to an app I use daily to make a living while browsing through bitter comments from people that probably never even used the damn app
SippinLean 13y ago
Prepros does all that for free, and it works in Mac and Windows. I could never get my shop on to Codekit because the developer refuses to port to Windows.
- Akuma 13y ago
  Does it? How do I get automated refresh in iOS (and Android) web browsers? How does Prepros help out in installing frameworks? Does Prepros have support for global custom frameworks? Is Prepros able to run scripts automatically? To me, they are not in the same league…
jbeja 13y ago
Some people in this thread really need some tuning in their sarcasm detector.
unculturedswine 13y ago
Threads like this are why I don't waste my time on sites like this.
AnotherDesigner 13y ago
I bought CodeKit 1 a while ago and about a week later he announced he had been working on CodeKit 2. Basically, my purchase was immediately abandonware. He's released no new features and very few updates (just library updates) since then. When I contacted him he wrote a short message back saying there will be no free upgrades to CodeKit 2. Stuff like this just teaches me not to trust these companies, I'm always going to get screwed. So, instead of investing myself to configure CodeKit and make it a part of my development pipeline, I moved over to Grunt. I didn't get to use CodeKit 1 on a single project because I knew it was already abandoned. It took me an hour or so to optimize my grunt file and get used to it but it's all been for the best. Grunt won't abandon me or gouge me for more money. I've also been using Adobe Brackets (and playing with GitHub Atom) a lot lately and it will probably soon replace the expensive Coda 2 that Panic never updates. I've never really been a huge open-source guy but the actions of Mac developers are pushing me that way.
- criswell 13y ago
  He does offer a discount to get the update. Also, I'm sure you can still use CodeKit 1 if you don't want to pay for the update.
lloyddobbler 13y ago
Perhaps the best testimonials I've seen on an app.
Gracana 13y ago
Damn, if I ever need to start taking web development seriously (right now it's only something I do for my little personal projects), I think I will buy this tool. The interface looks very nice, and it seems to integrate and simplify all sorts of useful features and workflows that I've seen described elsewhere (usually at length, with lots of documentation on how to get them working).

Codekit 2 is out

49 points by sebgeelen 13y ago

TobbenTM 13y ago

Reading the testimonies made me wonder if this whole thing was a joke or not. Looks cool otherwise though...

imwhimsical 13y ago
So it isn't a joke?
bulte-rs 13y ago
Are you kidding me? The testimonials give the whola page a somewhat human touch. I - for one - am now pondering if there really is a story behind the "Mad at me since 2008" stuff about Apple's legal department :P
- srd 13y ago
  I had the opposite impression. My initial reaction was "how immature and technological incompetent are your users?". I'm guessing the app is being marketed towards hipster frontend devs.
  - sbuk 13y ago
    Wow.
    - jbeja 13y ago
      Is double-edge sword as you may guess.
  - bulte-rs 13y ago
    I'm far from a hipster front end dev I think; but I just happen to like the general 'tone' of this guys (if you're reading, sorry for referring to you as this guy) writing style. So probably I'm not in his target demographic. Stuff like "Make Panic Jealous" target a really specific group of users (ye-olde average user doesn't know who/what Panic is) but really add flavour to his companies image. Of course, to each his own. I don't like the writing style in Romeo and Juliet; does that make me a hater of the arts?
beaker52 13y ago
I think it's trying to parody itself. I remember the days when I thought tools like this were cool. Like Coda for example. CLI tools don't need to parody themselves, they're usually free, cross platform and I can retire them quickly because I don't feel overtly attached to them.

igvadaimon 13y ago

I'm currently using gulp + browserify, it's basically the same set of features (modules, compilation, livereload), but free. Maybe a little more configuration necessary though.

hartator 13y ago

A few thoughts: - 2min and 54secondes of demo video to explain the localhost address. Sooo, boring. - At first, it sounded like another text editor but it's not. - It seems that's just a GUI skin to CLI tools

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wakaflaka 13y ago
Yeah and Dropbox is just a GUI skin for rsync.
- hartator 13y ago
  Sure, you got a point. (I've upvoted you.) In the same time, Dropbox is more towards less savvy user and when you use Dropbox is more for the Cloud hosting than for its rsync capabilities.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    Bittorent Sync then, who doesn't have Cloud hosting.

ethana 13y ago

"A Mac App for Cool People" Did they really have to resort to a level that low?

agildehaus 13y ago
Seriously. An embarrassingly bad slogan.
- csixty4 13y ago
  Self-deprecation has been part of CodeKit's branding since the beginning, when nobody had heard of it and the author had to put up his first fake testimonials.
JoeAnzalone 13y ago
Sounds like CodeKit's not for you then

sideproject 13y ago

Set aside a few strange things you find on this website (e.g. testimonies sound fake...), CodeKit is an excellent program, I've been using for a few years. GruntJS and Gulp essentially do the same thing of course, but CodeKit I guess 'interfaces' all those text-based configurations and once it's configured, well, it's pretty much done and you can just let it run in the background and forget about it. Highly recommend it!

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jwarren 13y ago

Codekit is a beautiful, comprehensive and powerful solution for those who don't want to/don't feel comfortable setting up Grunt or Gulp. If you're one of those people, it comes highly recommended.

chalgo 13y ago

The best thing on the page was the face palm user image.

Cthulhu_ 13y ago

I like what I'm seeing, however the main gripe I have is that it doesn't seem to be cross-platform; it looks like it's a GUI for Grunt configuration (it seems to have similar options) though. Compare Maven / Ant / Gradle for the Java world, instead of builds configured in the IDE; said IDE's often have a GUI component for major build configuration files. I wouldn't mind a GUI for Grunt configs, without sensible code refactoring, those can be a bitch to maintain.

SippinLean 13y ago
There's a GUI for Grunt in the works: https://github.com/Mobile-Team/spock https://github.com/Mobile-Team/spock

ckorhonen 13y ago

A bit frustration that it is a paid upgrade for Codekit 1.0 users - doesn't seem like that much has been changed, and it's not as if the first version saw a ton of updates.

rasmusbe 13y ago
Well, it includes some new tools, the refreshing of projects works better but the internal server is the really cool new feature. I really think it's worth the upgrade price.

DanBC 13y ago

This URL crashes Chrome on iOS.

tambourine_man 13y ago
And iOS7 Safari

tempodox 13y ago

“You don’t have permission to save the file ‘CodeKit’ to the folder ‘Library’.” This crap doesn’t even start. Sent it straight to the trash.

pete_b 13y ago

Another solution to the 'elephant in the room' - that frontend workflows have become too complicated for frontend developers.

antihero 13y ago

I really don't see the value of having the compile toolchain in your editor. If you are making a serious front-end project, you will have created a gulp/grunt based workflow so that anyone with node installed can compile it. If you rely on Codekit's features, surely you're locking people into that editor? Is it really so hard to open a command window and run a single command?

bramdevries 13y ago
For some people it is, I used to use CodeKit too (and I've used the beta) but at the moment I prefer using Grunt/Gulp, it provides me with more control over the building and others can use it easily by doing npm install. But I assure you that there's definitely a market for tools like this.
sbarre 13y ago
You grossly underestimate the number of solo/freelance web developers out there who just want to get to work on the project itself, instead of learning and setting up all those things (which may be overkill for their one-person project). "Effort vs. Result" is an important metric, and Codekit lets you just "get it done" without needing to learn how to install and set up grunt or gulp, node (edit: and uglify-js, bower, image optimization tools, sass, less, stylus, compass, etc).. It just works. And when Codekit becomes no longer appropriate then one can spend the time required to learn and configure grunt/gulp.
- jbeja 13y ago
  Is not like configure grunt or gulp is rocket science. If you are a solo/freelance that code to get the job done, 5 to 10 minutes of your time just for configure a grunt/gulp is not a massive lost of production time, also you get more control over what you want. Don't make it look like you would spend days trying to setting up that workflow when on reality it just take less than 10 or even 5 minutes for the avarege folk. Is really learning new things that scary, because for my understanding we as developers/designers need to learn new things every day so what is the hue?
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brennannovak 13y ago

Looks very promising and like a great upgrade from CodeKit 1.0 of which I've been a happy user for the last 1.5 years. The creator has provided excellent support every time I contact him. I LOVE the sense of humor in the testimonials section... LULz My one concern is does CK 2.0 create standard config files for Bower, Grunt, etc... CK 1.0 did NOT do this and made collaborating with non Mac / non CK users difficult!

starburst1977 13y ago

I like CodeKit. It safes me time/work to focus on more pressing matters.

dubcanada 13y ago

My goodness, this thread is actually worse then reddit. I never thought I would see such garbage in Hacker News before. This guy is releasing a new version of his product, of which thousands probably use. He just so happens to have a sense of humor (which anyone who has used Codekit before would know about) and you guys are picking him apart like a piece of turkey. I actually can't believe what I am reading atm, has this industry really gotten to a point where nobody has a sense of humor or any congratulatory comments anymore? And everyone is force to pick apart every single thing?

sbarre 13y ago
HN has always had a vocal population of pedants who like to complain about shit they can nitpick apart for no good reason. Combined with the other population who don't like to see tools and projects that let "lowly" developers accomplish the same things they worked so hard to do the manual/complicated way, and you get this thread so far.. Such is life...
iansinnott 13y ago
Agreed, this thread is ridiculous. Bryan is one of the funniest guys in the industry and his product is excellent
Akuma 13y ago
I've been lurking on Hacker news for some time, and I'd say it's pretty common for threads to be filled with this attitude. I'd say it's a tad bit more common in threads that somehow is Apple related (this is a mac only app).

simonhamp 13y ago

CodeKit is awesome and Bryan is a funny guy. I'm surprised that so many people don't get the humour on the website. I love it. Shows me Bryan's a real genuine person. Oh and he's built an awesome product that makes my life so much easier... and he doesn't demand I pay the earth for it. #win

sugarenia 13y ago

nonchalantly getting out credit card to pay for a great upgrade to an app I use daily to make a living while browsing through bitter comments from people that probably never even used the damn app

SippinLean 13y ago

Prepros does all that for free, and it works in Mac and Windows. I could never get my shop on to Codekit because the developer refuses to port to Windows.

Akuma 13y ago
Does it? How do I get automated refresh in iOS (and Android) web browsers? How does Prepros help out in installing frameworks? Does Prepros have support for global custom frameworks? Is Prepros able to run scripts automatically? To me, they are not in the same league…

jbeja 13y ago

Some people in this thread really need some tuning in their sarcasm detector.

unculturedswine 13y ago

Threads like this are why I don't waste my time on sites like this.

AnotherDesigner 13y ago

I bought CodeKit 1 a while ago and about a week later he announced he had been working on CodeKit 2. Basically, my purchase was immediately abandonware. He's released no new features and very few updates (just library updates) since then. When I contacted him he wrote a short message back saying there will be no free upgrades to CodeKit 2. Stuff like this just teaches me not to trust these companies, I'm always going to get screwed. So, instead of investing myself to configure CodeKit and make it a part of my development pipeline, I moved over to Grunt. I didn't get to use CodeKit 1 on a single project because I knew it was already abandoned. It took me an hour or so to optimize my grunt file and get used to it but it's all been for the best. Grunt won't abandon me or gouge me for more money. I've also been using Adobe Brackets (and playing with GitHub Atom) a lot lately and it will probably soon replace the expensive Coda 2 that Panic never updates. I've never really been a huge open-source guy but the actions of Mac developers are pushing me that way.

criswell 13y ago
He does offer a discount to get the update. Also, I'm sure you can still use CodeKit 1 if you don't want to pay for the update.

lloyddobbler 13y ago

Perhaps the best testimonials I've seen on an app.

Gracana 13y ago

Damn, if I ever need to start taking web development seriously (right now it's only something I do for my little personal projects), I think I will buy this tool. The interface looks very nice, and it seems to integrate and simplify all sorts of useful features and workflows that I've seen described elsewhere (usually at length, with lots of documentation on how to get them working).