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First of all, sure the HR person is obviously out of line. Second of all, I hope I've never worked with any team of people who'd be disturbed with my salary. To

First of all, sure the HR person is obviously out of line. Second of all, I hope I've never worked with any team of people who'd be disturbed with my salary. To me that's a sign that either I'm not worth my pay or they're being taken advantage of (or both). Throughout my career I've gladly told anyone who asked what I make, and ironically the only people who've ever asked are junior folks like the ones the author says are upset (because they want to understand how things go). Salary obfuscation serves injustice. I really think it's that simple. Further... dunno what industry, dunno what market.. but in my experience in west coast software 3x a junior employee would be a bit fishy at a company that size. Sounds like someplace I would not want to work :)

iloverobots 13y ago
If they make 50k and he makes 150k and they are all paid under market but have stock in the early stage company, this could make sense. Especially if the guy has tons of experience. (And obviously, this could be true at 60k/180k or 70k/210k, just depending.)
- famousactress 13y ago
  Maybe, but I doubt it. First off we know exactly four things for sure: 1. It's a 30 person shop 2. Author makes 3x the juniors 3. The juniors don't think author is worth 3x them 4. the HR person was a bad hire Dollars to donuts this is a very poorly run company (each of 2-4 essentially prove so alone, so they definitely point that way in combination). Let's assume developers (cause I'm not qualified to talk anything else). Let's assume the 50/150 since 150 I'd estimate is about market for a senior dev at least in CA at that size shop. Juniors are more like 70k (or more? I may be a bit out of touch), so 50k is 40% short. The chances that the junior folks are paid well short of market with great equity and the senior hire is market with little equity? Yeaaaah. Honestly in my experience it's more likely that everyone at this company is fucked for equity, and everyone that didn't know better was fucked for salary also.
  - rooted 13y ago
    It's possible the OP negotiated for more salary and less equity.
    - famousactress 13y ago
      Sure, but it's not really plausible that the junior ones did the opposite and are still really upset to hear what the senior person's making. Also, I think very few companies have lots of latitude with equity. I've seen plenty of double offers (higher-salary/lower-equity and then visa-versa, take your pick) but very few of them have a super big swing. Most shops (rightfully) have a particular bent in terms of the type of risk they want their folks to be taking. Anyways, yeah. I'll stick with my bet that the company, the senior person, and the HR person are all entities that you should stay far away from.
  - sheetjs 13y ago
    The second and fourth are still unknown: > Author makes 3x the juniors That assumes the author accurately knows the salaries and equity positions of the employees, which is unclear and raises more questions if true. > the HR person was a bad hire This is a clever way to get someone to leave the company: create in-company tension in a way that drives the person to leave.
    - famousactress 13y ago
      > This is a clever way to get someone to leave the company: create in-company tension in a way that drives the person to leave. Excuse my french, but companies that need "clever ways to get people to leave", are fucked. SUPER fucked.
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kevin0722 13y ago
For a non-dev job such as UI designer, 50k junior salary vs 150k senior salary sounds perfectly normal.

iloverobots 13y ago

If they make 50k and he makes 150k and they are all paid under market but have stock in the early stage company, this could make sense. Especially if the guy has tons of experience. (And obviously, this could be true at 60k/180k or 70k/210k, just depending.)

famousactress 13y ago
Maybe, but I doubt it. First off we know exactly four things for sure: 1. It's a 30 person shop 2. Author makes 3x the juniors 3. The juniors don't think author is worth 3x them 4. the HR person was a bad hire Dollars to donuts this is a very poorly run company (each of 2-4 essentially prove so alone, so they definitely point that way in combination). Let's assume developers (cause I'm not qualified to talk anything else). Let's assume the 50/150 since 150 I'd estimate is about market for a senior dev at least in CA at that size shop. Juniors are more like 70k (or more? I may be a bit out of touch), so 50k is 40% short. The chances that the junior folks are paid well short of market with great equity and the senior hire is market with little equity? Yeaaaah. Honestly in my experience it's more likely that everyone at this company is fucked for equity, and everyone that didn't know better was fucked for salary also.
- rooted 13y ago
  It's possible the OP negotiated for more salary and less equity.
  - famousactress 13y ago
    Sure, but it's not really plausible that the junior ones did the opposite and are still really upset to hear what the senior person's making. Also, I think very few companies have lots of latitude with equity. I've seen plenty of double offers (higher-salary/lower-equity and then visa-versa, take your pick) but very few of them have a super big swing. Most shops (rightfully) have a particular bent in terms of the type of risk they want their folks to be taking. Anyways, yeah. I'll stick with my bet that the company, the senior person, and the HR person are all entities that you should stay far away from.
- sheetjs 13y ago
  The second and fourth are still unknown: > Author makes 3x the juniors That assumes the author accurately knows the salaries and equity positions of the employees, which is unclear and raises more questions if true. > the HR person was a bad hire This is a clever way to get someone to leave the company: create in-company tension in a way that drives the person to leave.
  - famousactress 13y ago
    > This is a clever way to get someone to leave the company: create in-company tension in a way that drives the person to leave. Excuse my french, but companies that need "clever ways to get people to leave", are fucked. SUPER fucked.
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kevin0722 13y ago

For a non-dev job such as UI designer, 50k junior salary vs 150k senior salary sounds perfectly normal.