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I'm curious if this is due to Mt. Gox not trying hard enough. Recently a Bitcoin startup was able to obtain insurance from Lloyd's: http://arstechnica.com/busin

by pktgen 13y ago

I'm curious if this is due to Mt. Gox not trying hard enough. Recently a Bitcoin startup was able to obtain insurance from Lloyd's: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/01/backed-by-lloyds-of-london-new-uk-startup-offers-insured-bitcoin-vault/ http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/01/backed-by-lloyds-of-.... If this theory is true, presumably Karpeles would not have done this after the 2011 hack, because that would be insurance fraud (falsely obtaining insurance on the theft of coins that have already been stolen). It's possible that it would have been more difficult at that point because of Bitcoin being less mature.

oscilloscope 13y ago
Insuring Bitcoin in 2011 sounds like a scam already.
- singlow 13y ago
  It is not insuring the value of bitcoins, but the operation of the company. Regardless of the legitimacy of bitcoins or their value, the company is providing a service and it can be insured against lawsuits for its own mistakes. In 2011 the potential losses for its mistakes were much lower.
hangonhn 13y ago
But isn't Lloyd's famous for insuring what most other companies won't insure?
- pktgen 13y ago
  I'm not sure, but if that's the case I wonder why Karpeles didn't go there (again presuming this attempt was made before the theorized 2011 theft).
- Create 13y ago
  In the Eastern Bloc, in the '80s there was a new small fab being built to produce PROMs, PLDs and clone CPUs. Although the country in question was never charged with computing (as opposed to, say DDR, Bulgaria) it actually was onto FPGAs in stealth. Obviously, it was burnt to ashes the next day, and Lloyd's paid out. One wonders, if somebody was funding Lloyd's, because this was practically guaranteed to happen given the circumstances. Today in the free market, you can freely choose between Altera (San Jose, California, U.S.) and Xilinx (San Jose, CA, USA).
  - psykovsky 13y ago
    Any links to the full story, or maybe just some keywords I can use to search the google?
    - draugadrotten 13y ago
      I too was intrigued. Googling for UNITRA-CEMI, I found a reference to a fire in a east block factory in Hungary in 1985. > Hungary had even less success with integrated circuits in the Soviet Era. Hungarian IC production was initiated in > 1985 under licenses from the Soviet Union and East Germany, > but the factory burned down the following year, destroying all the equipment. http://brie.berkeley.edu/publications/WP126.pdf http://brie.berkeley.edu/publications/WP126.pdf
- hnal943 13y ago
  Yes. But from what I understand, this is because Lloyd's is a marketplace and not a traditional insurance company. They put wealthy entities in contact with people with peculiar insurance needs and let them work it out.
  - stcredzero 13y ago
    That's the classic move: outsource the risk to other people's money, and pocket some fees. Lloyd's seems a little like a bookie.

by pktgen 13y ago

oscilloscope 13y ago

Insuring Bitcoin in 2011 sounds like a scam already.

singlow 13y ago
It is not insuring the value of bitcoins, but the operation of the company. Regardless of the legitimacy of bitcoins or their value, the company is providing a service and it can be insured against lawsuits for its own mistakes. In 2011 the potential losses for its mistakes were much lower.

hangonhn 13y ago

But isn't Lloyd's famous for insuring what most other companies won't insure?

pktgen 13y ago
I'm not sure, but if that's the case I wonder why Karpeles didn't go there (again presuming this attempt was made before the theorized 2011 theft).
Create 13y ago
In the Eastern Bloc, in the '80s there was a new small fab being built to produce PROMs, PLDs and clone CPUs. Although the country in question was never charged with computing (as opposed to, say DDR, Bulgaria) it actually was onto FPGAs in stealth. Obviously, it was burnt to ashes the next day, and Lloyd's paid out. One wonders, if somebody was funding Lloyd's, because this was practically guaranteed to happen given the circumstances. Today in the free market, you can freely choose between Altera (San Jose, California, U.S.) and Xilinx (San Jose, CA, USA).
- psykovsky 13y ago
  Any links to the full story, or maybe just some keywords I can use to search the google?
  - draugadrotten 13y ago
    I too was intrigued. Googling for UNITRA-CEMI, I found a reference to a fire in a east block factory in Hungary in 1985. > Hungary had even less success with integrated circuits in the Soviet Era. Hungarian IC production was initiated in > 1985 under licenses from the Soviet Union and East Germany, > but the factory burned down the following year, destroying all the equipment. http://brie.berkeley.edu/publications/WP126.pdf http://brie.berkeley.edu/publications/WP126.pdf
hnal943 13y ago
Yes. But from what I understand, this is because Lloyd's is a marketplace and not a traditional insurance company. They put wealthy entities in contact with people with peculiar insurance needs and let them work it out.
- stcredzero 13y ago
  That's the classic move: outsource the risk to other people's money, and pocket some fees. Lloyd's seems a little like a bookie.