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> The effects of LSD in freeing peoples minds or somehow waking them up to reality are exaggerated IMHO. > I mean, do you need LSD to know the government is was

> The effects of LSD in freeing peoples minds or somehow waking them up to reality are exaggerated IMHO. > I mean, do you need LSD to know the government is wasting your money and making insane legislation? Nice red herring. Indeed, you do not need to take LSD to know that the government is wasting money and making insane legislation. It's really pretty obvious and in the midst of a breakthrough LSD trip, you would probably find this to be a trifling, utterly irrelevant matter, and wouldn't waste too much time thinking about it. The effects of LSD on freeing people's minds lie elsewhere, not in making people aware of the governmental abuses of power.

Nursie 13y ago
>> The effects of LSD on freeing people's minds lie elsewhere, not in making people aware of the governmental abuses of power. So please describe what these effects would be? And please don't think when I talk about it inducing a false sense of the profound that I speak from ignorance or inexperience.
- benched 13y ago
  Yes, we'll compress it into a few sentences in a Hacker News comment, to make it as easy as possible to trivialize via verbal argument. The very idea that you can discriminate true and "false" senses of the cosmic, for anybody, says a lot about where you're speaking from.
  - aaren 13y ago
    >>> The effects of LSD on freeing people's minds lie elsewhere, not in making people aware of the governmental abuses of power. To be fair, the poster before did make a statement about what effects lsd would not have. I agree with you that it will be difficult to verbalise any of this. However, I would say that an increased awareness of power structures is a possible outcome of a psychedelic experience.
  - Nursie 13y ago
    I'm sorry, but if you come back from a trip convinced of many of the things I've seen and heard people decide when on trips... well let me just say that some of these great and profound realisations are just nonsense when looked at in the cold light of day later. I'm absolutely not criticising anyone's experience of LSD, but I'm not sure either why you refuse to contemplate that there could an inebriant and hallucinogenic component to acid that can result in just as much drivel as you get from a drunk. If every experience you've ever had was a deep shamanic awakening that taught you about yourself and the universe then that's aweseom for you. 99% of the use of acid I've ever seen was more about giggling, talking bullshit and staring at the pretty colours.

Nursie 13y ago

>> The effects of LSD on freeing people's minds lie elsewhere, not in making people aware of the governmental abuses of power. So please describe what these effects would be? And please don't think when I talk about it inducing a false sense of the profound that I speak from ignorance or inexperience.

benched 13y ago
Yes, we'll compress it into a few sentences in a Hacker News comment, to make it as easy as possible to trivialize via verbal argument. The very idea that you can discriminate true and "false" senses of the cosmic, for anybody, says a lot about where you're speaking from.
- aaren 13y ago
  >>> The effects of LSD on freeing people's minds lie elsewhere, not in making people aware of the governmental abuses of power. To be fair, the poster before did make a statement about what effects lsd would not have. I agree with you that it will be difficult to verbalise any of this. However, I would say that an increased awareness of power structures is a possible outcome of a psychedelic experience.
- Nursie 13y ago
  I'm sorry, but if you come back from a trip convinced of many of the things I've seen and heard people decide when on trips... well let me just say that some of these great and profound realisations are just nonsense when looked at in the cold light of day later. I'm absolutely not criticising anyone's experience of LSD, but I'm not sure either why you refuse to contemplate that there could an inebriant and hallucinogenic component to acid that can result in just as much drivel as you get from a drunk. If every experience you've ever had was a deep shamanic awakening that taught you about yourself and the universe then that's aweseom for you. 99% of the use of acid I've ever seen was more about giggling, talking bullshit and staring at the pretty colours.