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Lets actually look at a more realistic example. Women in CS and Engineering today might be ~10-20pct of FTEs. That means, in a medium sized shop, where there mi
by 001sky 13y ago
Lets actually look at a more realistic example. Women in CS and Engineering today might be ~10-20pct of FTEs. That means, in a medium sized shop, where there might be 20-30 engineers, you have a situation whee how many are women? 2-6? That sounds about right. Now, if you are in this position...the issue is that the guys have 18-24 FTEs amongst their co-hort. In order for the girls to get the same type of network-density you need to bring together the equivalent of 5 to 10x shops together. That is just simpe seeding of network effects. If you worked in a shop with only 2 or 3 other people who did your job, the "law of small numbers" means your chances of leveraging this social infrastructure are "hit or miss". There are too many simple variables (personality type, work habits, social background, etc) for an effective "matching problem" to be solved. Or use another example: would you go to a school with only 2 or 3 students in your major? Most people would see that as a red-flag. Social isolation is at odds with the type of network effects most people seek to develop at school. MBAs for example typically invest $250k to buy a commodity education, paired with a very exclusive rolodex. The value of this degree would almost be worthless in a school with 3 other students (regardless of the teaching).
This is quite a different argument from lowering standards or affirmative action or whatever you want to call it. In fact, it is precisely the strategy YC used to bring its co-horts together. Back in 2005, VCs did not back many founders without an advanced degree (MA/PhD or MBA). As a result, it made sense to bring together (concentrate) a cohort, because the general peer group of VC backed CEO's would not have much in common with a 22 year old with no job experience. By bringing folks together that face similar challenges, you are not (per-se) giving these people special treatment or lowering standards; you're just providing a level os support infractructure that lets them "self-help" there way through many problems. It is actually critical that you don't "dumb down" standards, for this to work.
- thatthatis 13y agoI don't see how you can suggest that the scenarios I'm discussing are unrealistic. This thread is in response to a concrete female only conference of exactly the type I'm discussing. They don't fit the model(s) you're proposing as well, but that makes them different cases, not unrealistic ones. I think we are talking about a fairly different types of things. I'm talking about low-touch high n networking as you find in events, conferences, and meetups; I am not talking about high touch networking like accelerators and degree programs. Whether my suggestions are valid or not in the high touch scenario you're discussing, I don't know, as I haven't considered that case in sufficient depth. Your suggestion of there being value in a separate network hinges on, I think, there being a fundamental incompatibility between the groups. 22yo vs 32yo MBAs have real structural differences in their lives that make divided self help a plausible solution. I just don't buy that the differences we're talking about are significant enough to create fundamental incompatibilities. "The female tech network" vs "The tech network" smacks of separate but equal to me. I have no problem with female focused accelerators, but remember that YC doesn't systemically exclude MBAs to create a network of 22y.o.s. I'm enjoying the discussion (minus the part where you try to dismiss my cases as unrealistic) as you're bringing up models and cases that I hadn't yet considered. Is the goal to have two networks, or to achieve gender neutrality in the existing meta-network? I think our goal is gender neutrality.